Perkins 4.154 mixing elbow blocked

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

Yes, it would be. Given the only breadcrumb offered on your location is use of Fahrenheit vs Celcius, I figured US based.

Thanks for the correction. Good luck with your repair.

Peter

Ummm, Peter, hidden in every one of Matt's posts is t he following text, just below his screen name and avatar photo:

oin Date: Sep 2008
Location: On the boat, somewhere in Australia.
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 7,861

How much of a breadcrumb do you need?

Jim

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Ummm, Peter, hidden in every one of Matt's posts is t he following text, just below his screen name and avatar photo:



oin Date: Sep 2008

Location: On the boat, somewhere in Australia.

Boat: Swanson 42

Posts: 7,861



How much of a breadcrumb do you need?



Jim

of all the information I provided - decent exhaust elbow has a shower head, not a single injection point, that they are available off the shelf, that 165F is a threshold number, that SS pipe fittings are available, etc., y'all keyed on that I did click through to ascertain a location not given by the OP? Jeez, tough crowd. Sorry I tried to help.

BTW - assuming the elbow is attached to the manifold, there isn't enough drop on the water injection point. If so, lucky a clogged elbow is the only problem.

Good luck with your engines. Good thing you know how to sail.

Peter.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

You're right Jim. I didn't click through to find information he didn't provide.

Sorry, was a snarky comment. Whether from McMaster Carr or the Aussie equivalent, you guys shot the messenger. I guess it's the powerboat guy chiming in on an engine problem on a sail-forum. Sorry mate, not every cruiser is a sailor.

Seriously, it may be a US measurement, but 165F is a threshold number. I was just trying to help someone get to their destination. Truly sorry about that. Crikey, you'd think I was a kiwi trying to help an aussie. Won't make that mistake again.

BTW - assuming the elbow is attached to the manifold, there isn't enough drop on the water injection point. If so, lucky a clogged elbow is the only problem.

Good luck with your engines.

Peter.

Peter, in the spirit of assisting rather than denigrating your post, I offer the following information.

You don't have to click through anything to find the location of most posters. It is displayed on the LHS of the screen below the Username (or avatar if provided) on every post.

For instance and without clicking anything, I can see you are
mvweebles
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: I'm in St Pete, boat is Ensenada MX
Boat: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Posts: 1,828

I can see GILow is
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: On the boat, somewhere in Australia.
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 7,861

You can see me
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of 43 S, Australia
Boat: C.L.O.D.
Posts: 13,269

It really helps if members keep this information reasonably current and it helps everyone to make better posts.


Wottie.

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Peter, in the spirit of assisting rather than denigrating your post, I offer the following information.



You don't have to click through anything to find the location of most posters. It is displayed on the LHS of the screen below the Username (or avatar if provided) on every post.

Perhaps it is on a PC. Not on a phone, at least not on my Samsung S21.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to this. No good deed goes unpunished.

EDIT screenshot of what posts look like on my mobile device. Would have to click through the profile to get information.
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[GILow]

Originally Posted by Bill O

Matt,
That elbow looks like an Osco. They are out of business. Went thru the same issue on our 4.236 recently.

Would look at parts4engines out of the UK or HDI for a cast SS replacement as yours is most likely rusting out from the inside.

Thanks mate.

I’ll macgyver something to get it up to Adelaide and figure out an elbow when I get there. Plan is to swap this engine with the brand new Beta in the Swannie so there will be plenty of opportunity to make a better solution later.

I think I’ll recreate the old gooseneck I had on the Swanson which had the advantage of not needing a syphon breaker.

[GILow]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

Perhaps it is on a PC. Not on a phone, at least not on my Samsung S21.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to this. No good deed goes unpunished.

EDIT screenshot of what posts look like on my mobile device. Would have to click through the profile to get information.
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Mvweebles, thanks for trying. You kinda dug yourself in that hole though, you could have rolled with my gentle jibe but you decided to get all uppity about breadcrumbs.

Suck up some humble pie mate, and laugh with the rest of us.

We are laughing, it can be with you or at you, your choice.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

Perhaps it is on a PC. Not on a phone, at least not on my Samsung S21.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to this. No good deed goes unpunished.

EDIT screenshot of what posts look like on my mobile device. Would have to click through the profile to get information.
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Fair point, I dunno what it looks like on a phone and sadly I couldn't open the attachment.

Nevertheless, Aussies are mostly friendly even with foreigners, maybe especially with foreigners and will happily shout you a bevvie of choice - just watch out for the harmless spider we might slip in beside the glass...

[JPA Cate]

Tsk, tsk, all drowned spiders are harmless, n'est-ce pas?

Sorry, Peter, I think GILow was hard on you over that, but he just had his day ruined and had to return to port.

@GILow, I know you checked the impeller. However, I wanted to mention that because it has been sitting, not working, for 6 yrs. or so, it is VERY possible it will start shedding vanes like a mad creature, and so, taking a spare or even two, for the scheduled trip from KI to Adelaide, would be another of those prudent things to do.....

Ann

[mvweebles]

For future reference (especially to moderators), I re-attached the screenshot that didn't upload properly - thought it might assist those on PCs to understand the CF GUI is different for those who are mobile.

I guess CF is the wrong place for me.

[GILow]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

Tsk, tsk, all drowned spiders are harmless, n'est-ce pas?

Sorry, Peter, I think GILow was hard on you over that, but he just had his day ruined and had to return to port.

@GILow, I know you checked the impeller. However, I wanted to mention that because it has been sitting, not working, for 6 yrs. or so, it is VERY possible it will start shedding vanes like a mad creature, and so, taking a spare or even two, for the scheduled trip from KI to Adelaide, would be another of those prudent things to do.....

Ann

Ann, my day wasn’t ruined. You know me, I thrive on boat problems. Plus we had a fun sail back. The day a little setback like that bothers me I’ll give up boating.

There are spare impellers on board, but they are pretty hard and I suspect more risk than the current setup. The guy ran the engine from time to time to check it would work so there has been some movement to keep a little bit of suppleness. I have the tools and skills to make the repairs if needed but on balance I decided to leave that all well alone until I get the boat to Adelaide.

Also, I think a joke about 15,000 kms to get a bit of pipe was funny, not being hard at all. I would have left it at that if there hadn’t been a snarky remark about bread crumbs.

If I was being hard I would have pointed out that most of the post in question totally missed what I was asking and that assuming I was from any part of the world was parochial to the extreme. But I didn’t.

[GILow]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

For future reference (especially to moderators), I re-attached the screenshot that didn't upload properly - thought it might assist those on PCs to understand the CF GUI is different for those who are mobile.



I guess CF is the wrong place for me.



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I use the app on a phone, it looks just like the photo you posted.

I tap on the name of the person making the post before I respond, it tells me where they are from and what sort of boat they have. (If they knew to setup that information.)

I don’t know how you can answer most questions people ask on here without at least some of that information.

[more]

Originally Posted by GILow

Sorry mate, I missed this one.

Happy to say that was Farenheit. 140 Celsius would have been a bit serious.

I'll will do an engine swap soon and in the process the boat will get metric instruments,

you say you change engine. remove small 3/4 eblow (very careful and slow)
drill couple hole total 20mm +

second what temperature you sea when you say engine overheating. is water in engine boil
for this engine is normal temperature 85-95°C everything under this range is cold
on engine not instruments.who care for instruments all this reading is usually huge +- on old + 2-3 year i use Automotive Infrared Thermometer
and my eyes .
eyes is best. if engine boiling this is not good

[Bill O]

Matt,
I assume by your original pic that you had the water hose off the elbow and confirmed you had good flow out of the hose when not connected to the mixing elbow. As suggested by others, would try to put a wire into the water inlet of the elbow and see if that is clear. It is probably clogged w/rust and will needed to be reamed out (lightly) to get a decent water flow.

Don't remember how low the motor sits in the KP44. If the motor is well below the waterline, putting in an anti-siphon is easy and cheap insurance.

I agree w/More's idea of double checking the heat reading w/an IR thermo gun. Would not trust that any of the electrical contacts or senders were good/working properly, especially if the tach sender off the alternator wasn't working either.

Did you jump in the water to make certain the prop and bottom were clean? Obviously, this will slow you down and could be part of the reason why the motor was starting to overheat.

[GILow]

Edited, too hard to explain.

I'll.be fine from here guys, thank you.

[Bill O]

Matt,
Your explanation was thorough and was what I assumed you did to determine the elbow was blocked.


I'm certain everyone was just trying to helpful.