Water pump needed for 1988 Westebeke 46hp

[Sailor647]

Water pump is done. No biggy. Change it out. Go up to Cook Engine on Hayden Island, Portland Oregon to get one. They want what?! Over $800 dollars for a simple Mitsubishi-painted-red water pump? You gotta be kidding! (Only that's not the word that actually came to mind.)

The Mitsubishi part numbers are missing from the old pump. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[Celestialsailor]

Maybe this will help you out...First, Westerbeke is a rip off....period! I rebuilt my W46 and went directly to Mitsubishi in Sacramento, Ca. The engine is a Mitsubishi 4DQ5 which is used in forklifts and tractors. I rebuilt my pump using off the shelf seals and bearings from "Motion Industries". Google 4DQ5 water pump and you will find resources there. Westerbeke also wanted $1200 for an engine gasket set. I got mine from Mitsubishi for $220., I think.
I also learned that Mits is not suppose to sell any arts to you if you tell them you have a Westerbeke. Ya...those guys are real sweethearts!

[Sailor647]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Maybe this will help you out...First, Westerbeke is a rip off....period! I rebuilt my W46 and went directly to Mitsubishi in Sacramento, Ca. The engine is a Mitsubishi 4DQ5 which is used in forklifts and tractors. I rebuilt my pump using off the shelf seals and bearings from "Motion Industries". Google 4DQ5 water pump and you will find resources there. Westerbeke also wanted $1200 for an engine gasket set. I got mine from Mitsubishi for $220., I think.
I also learned that Mits is not suppose to sell any arts to you if you tell them you have a Westerbeke. Ya...those guys are real sweethearts!

Yep. Got all that. Now here's the rest of the story...
Bought a new Mitsubishi water pump off the web that is supposed to fit the 4DQ5. However, the damn bolt holes don't line up...1/4" off. Other than that, pump looks like a good quality - made in China like they all are - pump.

Suggestion? Thanks, mate.

[jimbunyard]

According to these guys, http://www.cosmic-parts.com/data/art...1833404964.pdf, there're 2 pumps for the 4DQ5,
30445-50010 and 30645-50023. Maybe that's the difference, or a call to the local Cat dealer might tell you a little more.


I kinda like the idea of rebuilding the one you have.

[Sailor647]

Hey Jim - thanks for those part numbers! I'll look it up today. If it works, I'll let the forum know. There needs to be a work-around for such huge mark ups. The auto parts dealers (new and after market) would never get a way with this.


Yep, rebuilding the old one is on the to-do list. We were going to use it for a cruising spare...but not if the only replacement is 8-frickin-hundred-fricken-dollars!
Thanks mates!

[Celestialsailor]

By the way...is this the raw water pump or the coolant circulation pump?

[Sailor647]

Coolant circulation pump.

[Valmika]

I had the same issue on my 42B I ended up getting a Vetus pump for about $
150 that fit perfectly

[Stu Jackson]

try Depco Pump Company they may be able to help, too.

[Xthewater]

This has been a source of heartburn for me as well. I absolutely refuse to deal with Cook.
Recently rebuilt my Universal M25xp for our Cape Dory 31 and needed an oil pan and water pump(circulating). Cook Engine on Hayden Island wanted over $400 for the oil pan and near same for water pump. BTW I'd also suggest pump rebuid.
I got the oil pan through Kubota dealer for $54 and pump for $95. Same with rings, bearings, gaskets etc. Far far less cost.
Engine runs like a top.

Universal Westerbeke etc. have a pact where they are trying to force people to have no choice but to go through them and gouge us "wealthy" boat owners. It is illegal under fair trade laws but who has the means and organization it takes to hold them accountable?

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Xthewater

Universal Westerbeke etc. have a pact where they are trying to force people to have no choice but to go through them and gouge us "wealthy" boat owners. It is illegal under fair trade laws but who has the means and organization it takes to hold them accountable?

Who cares when you CAN and DO just go to Kubota?

[Sailor647]

Thanks Stu and X -
The hunt begins in earnest tomorrow morning. Thanks for the link.

I have no idea how Cook stays in business. Seriously. Everyone there acts like they're in prison serving out a life sentence. You see a guy on the dock with a Cook logo on his work shirt and he looks likes he's just been tortured. No spunk. No smile. No reason.

If we didn't want go go cruising, we could open up a friendly, price conscious/fair market "Sailor647 Marine" and put Cook and Schooner Creek out of business. But, we don't wanna. We're going cruising now. It floors us both that there isn't a reputable, market-value-not-gonna-rape-you marine service business in Portland.

The need is strong in Portland Oregon. (Insert Yoda here.)

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by Sailor647

Coolant circulation pump.

I thought it was the raw water pump. I wouldn't even bother with a new circulation pump. Nothing goes wrong with them other than the seals and bearing. Its just an impeller that touches nothing. A standard pump rebuilder did mine for $90.

[zboss]

Originally Posted by Xthewater

Universal Westerbeke etc. have a pact where they are trying to force people to have no choice but to go through them and gouge us "wealthy" boat owners. It is illegal under fair trade laws but who has the means and organization it takes to hold them accountable?

Isn't that illegal and anti-competitive? There are lots of examples of companies that make pacts like this that get sued by the FTC.

[Sailor647]

Went to Forklift Services in Portland yesterday with both part numbers. According to their database, they don't show a pump with either Mitsubishi number existing in the entire United States. The part has been discontinued. There was an after market pump in Japan for $600 and some change with one of those numbers, but since we weren't sure which pump we actually needed we didn't order it.

So, I took the original pump to Auto Friction Company in Damascus, Oregon to get it rebuilt. They have been in business for decades. The ole guy told me it should be about a week. The mom-and-pop company is literally a mom-and-pop + daughter company. We're hoping the sweet old guy lasts long enough to get the pump finished.

Cook Engine said Westerbeke only has two remaining pumps in their inventory. Guess what? Yep. I bought one. (Damn!) Two reasons: Even though our engine is 27 years old, it only has 1520 hours on it and the compression tests were perfect. And we're going cruising. Having a spare water pump is gonna be cheaper, easier, and quicker than a installing new engine in the South Pacific. (No, I don't want to install one here.)

My wife had just come back from an expensive trip to the grocery store when I told her the pump news. She said, "We gotta stop spending like drunken sailors!" I made her feel better when I said, "Honey, we ARE drunken sailors."