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Old 21-09-2017, 10:19   #16
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Re: Osmosis.... Again

No boat ever sank from blisters that I know of.

Yards are now "peel crazy" these days. The peeler planer is their equivalent of what an X-Ray machine is to an orthopedist; it prints money.

If you're handy you could dry the boat out, grind, fill, and fair the blisters, and put a proper barrier coat on the boat. Not an insignificant amount of work but you can do it yourself.
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Find a surveyor who will do a laminate profile. That way you will have more facts rather than just guessing.
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Old 21-09-2017, 17:42   #18
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Peeled one years ago for owner. Not yard in Panama City, Fl. Two deep cuts and still rotten. Never did dry out. No amount of filling and coatings would be permanent repair. Beware. Phil
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Old 21-09-2017, 18:06   #19
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I cant see that well enough. All I see is worn bottom paint. Are there actual bumps? Pop one with a pocket knife. Is it just on the surface or does it ooze and go deeper?
Wear goggles if you decide to pop a blister. Hydrolized resin is nasty stuff and can come out in a very high pressure spray.
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Find a surveyor who will do a laminate profile. That way you will have more facts rather than just guessing.
Impossible without sending a coupon to a lab .... done it many times.
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Two deep cuts and still rotten. Never did dry out. No amount of filling and coatings would be permanent repair. Beware. Phil
I've seen quite a few like this and even one that was peeled four times over eight years. The buyer still didn't listen when I surveyed the boat and told him to walk.
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Impossible without sending a coupon to a lab .... done it many times.
Well that sounds good. What did the lab tell you about the coupon?
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Well that sounds good. What did the lab tell you about the coupon?
The lab I use can tell type, thickness, number of coats of bottom paint and barrier coating, Type and thickness of gelcoat, Thickness of laminate, number of layers of laminate and type of fabric used, ie. chopped mat, chopper gun, cloth, bi-axial etc. and the type of resin and resin to fabric ratio and bond integrity of all materials involved. In one case I was involved with the builder had claimed use of Kevlar in the laminate and denied any use of chopped mat. In another case the boat was sold as an epoxy boat and turned out to be orthophthalic polyester not even isophthalic !
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No boat ever sank from blisters that I know of.

Yards are now "peel crazy" these days. The peeler planer is their equivalent of what an X-Ray machine is to an orthopedist; it prints money.

If you're handy you could dry the boat out, grind, fill, and fair the blisters, and put a proper barrier coat on the boat. Not an insignificant amount of work but you can do it yourself.
Swedish factory produced boat from the '70s, kept on the dry every winter, I think I'll get a moisture meter (no, not the 600$ unit for a 10k$ boat...) and give it a chance.
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Thanks Boat Poker. I got most of the information you posted but not all. Relative Moisture level was provided too. Need to pull out the report to see what was included plus not sure what lab was used.
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Swedish factory produced boat from the '70s, kept on the dry every winter, I think I'll get a moisture meter (no, not the 600$ unit for a 10k$ boat...) and give it a chance.
Got a close-up picture from the bottom:

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Got a close-up picture from the bottom:

Way too many coats of paint to form any opinion on the hull. Suggest you sand off the paint before putting a meter on it.
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Way too many coats of paint to form any opinion on the hull. Suggest you sand off the paint before putting a meter on it.
Thanks for the hint! Right, quite funny to discover new and new colors and still no FG
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That looks like a lot paint coats, but I see no blisters. If it's wert and blistering, it will show.
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The surveyor did not note anything other than many minor blisters.
Twice I had surveyors (two different boats).
Gotta realize, local surveyors depend upon local business and if his survey kills the sale, he may not get much employment afterwards.

Go through the boat WITH the surveyor, ask questions. Read his report two or 3 times, asking more questions and revisit the boat if necessary..... take him out of ear shot of the seller or broker.

The seller or broker wants your money. There will always be another boat, maybe even better. The broker I used got real tired of me saying that.
Yes, my surveyor missed a few things. I missed a few things but over all, I was satisfied. We always know in our heart, we could have gotten a better buying price for the boat but sometimes our scheduling dulls our bidding on the boat.

Go forth, buy the boat and begin to slay the dragons.
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