Who's you favorite yacht architect?

[sailah]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

Are you sure? Because I am certain.

Did you even click the link that I posted? I guess not. I even posted a photo of the underwater sections of that EXACT yacht

Not to mention that I used to personally know the boat, her sistership White Wings, and the owner Mr Tofias.

But you can easily verify the information yourself. There are dozens of links about these boats online.



Here is one, from the builder:
WILD HORSES | | Brooklin Boat Yard

And:
https://www.soundingsonline.com/features/living-a-dream

100% correct, White Wings and Wild Horses are spirit of tradition, cold molded boats with modern underbodies. I've raced against them a few times and been aboard a couple. Without looking it up, I'm almost positive they were not S&S designs. Also without looking it up I think 1 was built at Brooklin Boatyard and the other at Rockport Marine?

OK I did look it up: Joel White design

https://rockportmarine.com/boats/white-wings/

They have both been for sale since forever and are campaigned hard.

I've also seen Race Horse in Newport but it's much smaller.

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Along the same lines, Reichel Pugh and German Frers have designed many beautiful yachts.

Dykstra Naval architects Hetarios

@wingsail

If you like that Dykstra look, you may also like this Frers boat "Rebecca".
She looks even better in the flesh.
Here she is smoking along at the Antigua Superyacht Challenge.

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by sailah

100% correct, White Wings and Wild Horses are spirit of tradition, cold molded boats with modern underbodies.

Yep

[MatthewSA]

What don't you like about high aspect rudders?

They're super efficient, incredibly strong if designed and built properly and you'll never spin out if you push the boat.....

[transmitterdan]

High aspect rudders are great for racers. Not so much for cruisers who value reliability in steering above everything except staying afloat.

[gregfreed]

Bob Perry for cruising IE, passport 40, Valient 40
Herreshoff for elegance

[merrydolphin]

Originally Posted by oldcal46skipper

Best ever. Bill Lapworth. Designed the Cal Boats. Like my Cal Cruising 46 launched in 1967 and mine since 1982. We lived aboard and cruised 1988 to 2005. She is still at our dock on Bayou Chico, FL.


Sails like a dream. Comfortable for people over 6' tall. Four hundred gallons of diesel fuel tankage, +++

AGREE! A really sweet boat. Lived aboard and cruised one for 7 yrs. made near 200 mi days under sail on a reach and could motor like a Trawler with it’s 26” prop and 3:1 reduction and nicely sheered bow. All tankage low in the bilge where it belongs. 270 gal fuel and 220 gal water. Walk in engine room, (full standing) with drill press vice, watermaker, diesel genny. ALL equipment in the engine room! All pumps batteries, etc. therefore ALL lockers available for storage of gear. 17 ft galley counters. On and on. Unique underbody. Almost didn[t buy it because of that. Wow, glad it did. A near full keel with a hefty SPADE rudder. Boat handled so well that a stupid little Raymarine wheel pilot that I bought as a back up (designed for a boat half its size ) for calm weather and motoring, could steer the boat downwind in 3+ meter waves and 30+ kts wind! Yeah, if you could’t tell, I really liked that boat.

Bob Perry Valiant 40-42. A great design. My Kelly Peterson 44 was a wonderful Doug Peterson design. And the prop IS in an aperature. Otherwise very similar to the underwater configuration of the Valient. Ive had 2 S&S designs. A Chris Pawnee 26. And most recently a Tartan 37cb. Really sweet sailing boat!! I don’t like bolt on keels for cruising, have always had encapsulated lead. No problems or maintenance ever. (For me). I know, bolt on’s can work fine and encapsulated can give problems, but not usually. Well as we know, every boat design is a set of compromises.
And if long term live aboard cruising is your goal. Hard to beat Bill Lapworths Cal 2-46. Particularly with galley up.

[shibumi25]

E.G. Van De Stadt - love the sailing dutchman

[MicHughV]

I lusted after a Kelly Peterson 44 the first time ever saw one. But not many on the east coast. If one came on the market today in my neck of the woods, I'd havta to take a looksee with my check book in hand....if I recall, not many were made...30 or so, but I could be wrong about this.......gorgeous boat !!

[Old fella]

Originally Posted by bailsout

L. Francis Herreshoff. And his philosophy- the Thoreau of the marine world.

Yes, I've got a compass h28, she's as slow as the second comming, but she's very sea kindly.

[chrisr]

sorry if i offend anyone, but i've gota ask people who rave about yacht design from 50 - 100 years ago...

would you drive a car even 20 years old ? can't you see the improvements that have been made in design, construction and performance ?

i agree that some of the old sailing designs are attractive, but to own / sail one ? really ? they are like a half tide rock most of the time !

just like i have a mate who has a vintage 1950's MG...lovely to look at, but awful to drive by modern standards

my advice : get the head out of the old books and go out and sail a modern yacht...

now off my soap box...

cheers,

[transmitterdan]

A car is a poor analogy. Boats designed in the past year are not substantially safer than several well found designs from 50 years ago. I own one example. I don’t think any “modern” boat of comparable size is safer or easier to sail. And for sure no modern boat will last as long. They just don’t make them like they used to, as the saying goes.

[patagonia]

German Frers all the way.
I consider German Frers father the best for classic boats.
German Frers son for modern boats
German Frers grandson for the post modern.
This is really a full trajectory of years of experience and full dedication.

[Kauri]

Chuck Paine - small sailboat architect nonpariel. Annie, Frances, Leigh... regret selling my Annie :-(

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by transmitterdan

A car is a poor analogy. Boats designed in the past year are not substantially safer than several well found designs from 50 years ago. I own one example. I don’t think any “modern” boat of comparable size is safer or easier to sail. And for sure no modern boat will last as long. They just don’t make them like they used to, as the saying goes.

the car is just that : an analogy...to get folk thinking

but here is something else to think about : designers of yesteryear had a certain level of technology to work with, and could only design boats that could be built. there was no light weight materials, no CAD, no test tanks

boats had been slowly evolving for many hundreds of years, but basically had not changed much...however we all know that the rate of change in everything is increasingly enormously.

it is this change in technology & materials that is transforming yacht design. modern yachts may not always be prettier, but they are always better than 50 years ago

oh, and if you want to talk about longevity, we need to compare like with like. modern yachts are a quantum leap cheaper (in real terms) than they use to be. i'm sure wally boats and similar (comparatively the same price point) have a pretty long life too...

cheers,