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Old 21-06-2013, 15:49   #151
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The US Coast Guard Service is enforcing US safety regulations on my Australian registered sailing vessel sailing through US waters. Regardless of their legal basis, I do not argue with them. This is their home turf and I am going to lose.
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims

It would be good to hear from the OP here, At no stage does he say he has been refused an exit stamp (zarpe) just an officer expressing concern, most likely for his well being. The fact that the repair looks ugly doesn't mean that it isn't sound.
Re SAR isn't it quite possibly he doesn't have an epirb anyway.
I suggest that you all look at the original post again and then see where it has been taken!! Of course that would take the popcorn and the arm chairs out of the equation and spoil the "fun"?
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When he's out there, squealing into his radio for help because its all turned to custard, other professional seafarers in the vicinity do not.

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Professional seafarers do not have the freedom to squeal into their radios for help?

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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims

Well, you've kind of altered what I wrote, quite a bit. I was making the point that a professional seafarer in the vicinity of an incident is duty bound to render assistance. Under international conventions he has no choice in the matter.
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Well, you've kind of altered what I wrote, quite a bit. I was making the point that a professional seafarer in the vicinity of an incident is duty bound to render assistance. Under international conventions he has no choice in the matter.
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Well, you've kind of altered what I wrote, quite a bit. I was making the point that a professional seafarer in the vicinity of an incident is duty bound to render assistance. Under international conventions he has no choice in the matter.
Only professional seamen on SOLAS sized ships , under that they are not so bound.


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Old 21-06-2013, 22:08   #157
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims

I reckon the bloke is a chance to amaze/embarrass a lot of those of the righteous indignants here....
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims

if NZ needed more money for sea rescues they should ask the USA for a donation...
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Ye gods, one day when i sail away, I have promised myself that if it all turns to custard i will not call for help...I reserve the right to change my mind though.
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if NZ needed more money for sea rescues they should ask the USA for a donation...
And then the US could ask China for a loan to fund it.
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China would make the ship for the rescue too. The iron ore for the ship will come fro Australia. But China holds a lot of American debt in good ole greenbacks. Don't you love globalization?
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Sorry I went political there. Couldn't help it. IDK, I think if the OP can handle the ship he is sailing, and it is apparent he can, then let him go. It's not like he has never sailed her before. He does have an obligation to ensure the vessel is sea worthy though. The question is, if he does not do that, what is to be done? Not everyone agrees obviously.

I am pretty new to this sailing stuff, but I would think it prudent to get a survey every so often to ensure sea worthiness. How often should this be done? 2 years, 5, 10? What if you built the boat yourself?
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A survey means squat, you as the skipper need to know yer ship inside out, mo betta.
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Sorry I went political there. Couldn't help it. IDK, I think if the OP can handle the ship he is sailing, and it is apparent he can, then let him go. It's not like he has never sailed her before. He does have an obligation to ensure the vessel is sea worthy though. ......
Just curious as to who you think he this obligation to???

IMO, the only rational answer would be to his crew (if any).
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If he has crew then his crew comes first. We should have consideration for others and doing that is making sure our ships are ship shape. No one gets through life without help from other people, so have consideration and do the right thing. People's bad choices almost always affect more than just themselves. On the other hand, people's good choices always affect others too, in a good way.

Mistakes happen though, after all, we are human. So, help a brother or sister out and help and forgive when something doesn't go so good. The key is risk management and mitigating risk to the extent possible.
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