Qualifications in Norway

[Dockhead]

Reading the Norway cruising guide -- it seems that if you are with a boat of more than 15m length, you are obligated to have an ICC even if your home/flag country doesn't require it.


Anyone have any knowledge of this? My ICC is expired.

[boatman61]

If its an RYA ICC it's easy enough to renew for another 5yrs..
Did mine a coupla months back.. its pretty quick online.

[Uricanejack]

Interesting question, I doubt if I will ever need to know the answer.
I googled it anyway. Finding it interesting
Most States will accept vessel flag state requirement's

I Found conflicting or vague info.
The Norwegian Cruising Guide doesn't appear to be an official publication.
It suggests meeting flag state requirements is acceptable.
Up to 15m If no certification is required by flag state.
Over 15 up to 24 the requirements is a qualification equivalent to a Norwegian Deck Officer class 5.
It goes on to recommend the ICC as equivalent.

The RYA are remarkably unhelpful or unclear and state the ICC is only good up to 15m and does not meet the requirement for Norwegian vessels over 15m.
So the ICC does not appear to meet the requirement to be equivalent to a Norwegian Class 5 deck.
Even so it might be acceptable as meeting the requirement of flag state. Particularly if no other flag state requirement exists.

Normally I would suggest referring to Admiralty list of radio signals Vol 6 (I am probably out of date) This tends to be for commercial info. It is the official UK reference for port entry requirements. Will it give a definitive answer for pleasure craft 15 to 24m? Not sure.

My reading of it I would tend to believe a YM or would be regarded as meeting the requirements of the Class 5 deck. Exceeding a ICC which doesn't if its not acceptable for a norwegian vessel when Norway issues ICC.

The Various RYA cert are not official alone but if commercially endorsed they are.
I would be surprised if a valid commercially endorsed YM was not acceptable.

For those of us who are not from a country which use the ICC. ie Canada and America.
Looks like we might need a 100t cert.

For a Definitive answer I would recommend contacting The Norwegian's directly. Tell them the length of your vessel and what certificates you hold and ask if they are acceptable.

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by Uricanejack

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For a Definitive answer I would recommend contacting The Norwegian's directly. Tell them the length of your vessel and what certificates you hold and ask if they are acceptable.

Usually not helpfull. I've been dealing with Norwegian officials last +20 years and eiher they don't know the answer or, the worse, they give false information. Just like that 95% not helpfull.

[TeddyDiver]

AFAIK this
"Denne forskriften gjelder for eier og fører av norske fritidsbåter innenfor rikets grenser, herunder Svalbard og Jan Mayen."
so it's relevant only for norwegian boats but if you have lost your lisence it will be complicated
"Forskriften gjelder tap av retten til å føre båtførerbevispliktig fritidsbåt med hjemmel i lov 26. juni 1998 nr. 47 om fritids- og småbåter kapittel 3 A, heretter kalt fritids- og småbåtloven.

Forskriften gjelder også for

a. personer som ikke har fast bopel i Norge
b. personer med utenlandsk kompetansebevis.
Forskriften gjelder også for Svalbard og Jan Mayen."

Should not be a concern if the lisence is expired and your flag country has no requirement of it.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

AFAIK this
"Denne forskriften gjelder for eier og fører av norske fritidsbåter innenfor rikets grenser, herunder Svalbard og Jan Mayen."
so it's relevant only for norwegian boats but if you have lost your lisence it will be complicated
"Forskriften gjelder tap av retten til å føre båtførerbevispliktig fritidsbåt med hjemmel i lov 26. juni 1998 nr. 47 om fritids- og småbåter kapittel 3 A, heretter kalt fritids- og småbåtloven.

Forskriften gjelder også for

a. personer som ikke har fast bopel i Norge
b. personer med utenlandsk kompetansebevis.
Forskriften gjelder også for Svalbard og Jan Mayen."

Should not be a concern if the lisence is expired and your flag country has no requirement of it.

". . . it's relevant only for Norwegian boats" -- right? In that case, there seems to be no issue.


That's consistent with how I read the RYA advice.