Big waves! Bad storm.

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

Why ya'll chose to live in area that gets all that white stuff every year, is beyond my ability to understand....

Some of us like to ski and all the ski towns out west are rockin any time of the year. There's a fair amount in the east, too. So let's take a sport that can be extreme or just bunny-wunny and combine with copious amounts of alcohol and see what happens. Now wipe that smile off your face.

They used to call me air bear

[donradcliffe]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Mega lake-effect blizzard may end up as Buffalo's worst ever





"The same powerful storm that brought blizzard conditions and severe cold to a large portion of the central United States will continue to spin close enough to the Upper Midwest to create a major lake-effect snow event this Christmas weekend. For many locations, conditions will be dangerous and life-threatening, AccuWeather meteorologists warn.

"In Buffalo, this storm will likely at least jump near the top of the list of worst blizzards in the city's history, if not even becoming the worst," AccuWeather Meteorologist Jake Sojda said. "Four to 6 feet of snow will fall by Sunday and coupled with wind gusts approaching hurricane force [74 mph or greater] to create enormous drifts and impossible travel."


Didn't Buffalo just have a massive lake effect snow fall and now another that might be even worse.


https://news.yahoo.com/mega-lake-eff...ycsrp_catchall

I am really surprised that with over 30 posts, the high priests of climate change haven't showed up here to explain how the "worst blizzard ever" is a direct result of burning fossil fuels.

[cherylchecheryl]

Cold? Global warming is starting to return here. We are back to 15 degrees. Much better than -2. Bears sure look cold on television though.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

I am really surprised that with over 30 posts, the high priests of climate change haven't showed up here to explain how the "worst blizzard ever" is a direct result of burning fossil fuels.

We like to let low-information deniers have the first shot. Later, if the thread does go to pot and gets closed, they'll blame us for that anyway.

But, as an early Christmas gift: El Niño Is Coming—and the World Isn’t Prepared. Enjoy.

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Our travel plans for a 2 hour drive to my Mom's got pushed by a day. There was a 100 car/truck pile-up near her neck of the woods. We don't mind the delay. Our club has advised members to check their boat covers; simple tarps probably got shredded if an end came untucked. But no big snow accumulation, amen.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

I am really surprised that with over 30 posts, the high priests of climate change haven't showed up here to explain how the "worst blizzard ever" is a direct result of burning fossil fuels.

Oh, did someone mention global warming as a potential reason for the cold snap?

Meanwhile somewhere in Montana:

[cherylchecheryl]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Oh, did someone mention global warming as a potential reason for the cold snap?

Meanwhile somewhere in Montana:

I'm sure there are folks in other northern states that would be happy to be members.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

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Our travel plans for a 2 hour drive to my Mom's got pushed by a day. There was a 100 car/truck pile-up near her neck of the woods. We don't mind the delay. Our club has advised members to check their boat covers; simple tarps probably got shredded if an end came untucked. But no big snow accumulation, amen.

Wishing you safe travels to your relatives.

These massive accidents, always seems to happen when drivers exceed their capabilities and fail to keep adequate distance to be able to stop before colliding.

I recall during my early years in Montana overhearing a conversation inside the convenience store of a gas station when there was near blizzard condition.
A driver asked a Highway Patrolman: "How fast can one drive safely in these road conditions? The patrolman responded to the question with a question: "How fast do you want to go into the ditch?" Point well made as that is exactly how fast I will drive; sure a normal 3 1/2 hour trip between my residences in western Montana becomes a seven hour trip slowing from 75 to 80+ mph to 40ish mph, but not a harrowing experience.

Have towed quite a few vehicles out of the barrows ditch and back onto the Interstate, including two highway patrol vehicles. Have yet to need to be towed myself, [qualification, YET]

It is always about how well you can stop, and not about how well you can go forth. Always amazed when I see someone utilizing their cruise control on wet or snowy roads because they instantly go off the roadway when one drive wheel abruptly loses traction and the other traction wheel drives a hard turn. Fortuitously mostly they just get an incredible scare and a solid learning experience because there are wide expanses on the sides on most of the Interstate freeways in Montana. On occasion they roll over or bash into something and then need assistance.

We too are postponing our 250 mile travel due to there being some patchy freezing rain on top of the 12 inches of snow fall of the previously subzero temperatures. Before it was just too dangerous to be out in the cold with -40 to -50 F windchills, and now there will be a few glazing ice surfaces. We will give is couple of days and the day high temperatures should climb near or above freezing and the road conditions moderating.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Wishing you safe travels to your relatives.

Thanks, same to you. I am a "northern" boy and grew up with snow. Black ice and whiteouts are what I fear most. 25 years ago my Jeep spun out on black ice. Only casualties were a guardrail post and the rear quarter of the vehicle, and we drove away from that one.

We now have the luxury of time. My heart goes out to all the folks who had to travel yesterday, especially the truckers.

[Gadagirl]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

I am really surprised that with over 30 posts, the high priests of climate change haven't showed up here to explain how the "worst blizzard ever" is a direct result of burning fossil fuels.

First off it's not the "Worse blizzard ever' , well except for in a young persons lifetime . The storm, as it's only recently occurred, hasn't been studied yet as to effects and causes. More information will come no doubt.

But what everyone must realize and take into account is that normal cyclical weather happens in conjunction with overall climate change. So, perhaps just a percentage of damage caused by a normally expected weather event causes an higher degree of damage than would normally be expected. EG. Flooding, higher winds due to atmosphereect changes, and moisture content in the atmosphere.

But the percentage of what can be attributed to "normal cyclical weather event" as opposed to "additional damage due to a compromised climate" will not be immediately known. It will be studied an reported on later when all of the data is collected and anylized.

It's science. We aren't silent because we're afraid of being wrong. We are silent because we follow science and are waiting for facts and analysis before spouting off.

[boatman61]

The 12yr cycle..
A major winter storm of December affected the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast on December 18th–21st 2010, leaving behind 1–2 feet (30.5 cm–61.0 cm) of snow from North Carolina to New England. The storm at one point was over 500 miles (800 km) in width, eventually affecting 14 states and tens of millions of Americans. The heavy snow crippled the densely populated corridor from Richmond, Virginia to Boston, Massachusetts. Reagan National Airport in Washington, DC experienced its largest calendar day snowfall acumulation on record with 15.0 inches (38.1 cm). The storm was given a preliminary score of Category 3 on the Northeast Snow Impact Scale (NESIS), categorizing the storm as 'Major' and ranking it in the top 25 winter storms to affect the region.

Great Plains Storm
Satellite Loop of Storm
Another major winter storm during December presented a huge part of the country with a white Christmas. The large storm produced blizzard conditions from Texas to the U.S.–Canadian border on December 24th–27th 2010. Dallas, Texas observed its first Christmas Eve snowfall on record. The storm was associated with the most snowfall to affect Oklahoma City, Oklahoma in a 24-hour period (14.1 inches or 35.8 cm) and was the second biggest storm accumulation for Sioux City, South Dakota on record (20.7 inches or 52.6 cm). The storm left travelers stranded in airports and on highways, as many people were in transit for the holiday season.

On February 4th a storm that originated in the southwest U.S. traversed eastward, pumping in moisture from the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic. Some locations in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia recorded more than 30 inches (76 cm) of snow. In Washington, DC (Reagan National Airport), the two-day total of 32.4 inches (82.3 cm) ranked as the highest total storm amount in history. In Philadelphia, the 28.5 inches (72.4 cm) ranked as the second highest amount, behind the 30.7 inches (78.0 cm) received on January 7th–8th, 1996. The 25.0 inches (63.5 cm) that fell in Baltimore was its third highest storm total amount since official records began in 1891.

Another blizzard created havoc during February 9th–11th on the areas that were still digging out from previous storms. This powerful Nor'easter produced as much as 14 inches (35.6 cm) of snow in the Washington, DC area, 17 inches (43.2 cm) in New Jersey, 20 inches (50.8 cm) in Baltimore, as much as 24 inches (61.0 cm) in northern Maryland, and more than 27 inches (68.8 cm) in Pennsylvania. As a result of these two storms, several locations broke seasonal snowfall records, some of which were more than a century old.

National Snow Analyses - Snow Depth
U.S. Snow Depth
February 13
On February 11th–13th, as much as 6 inches (15 cm) of snow fell in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and even the northwest Panhandle of Florida. The largest daily accumulation on record fell in Dallas, Texas. The Dallas/Fort Worth National Weather Forecast office reported that 11.2 inches (28.4 cm) bested the old record of 7.8 inches (19.8 cm) set on January 15th, 1964 and January 14th, 1917. On February 13th every contiguous U.S. state had snow on the ground.

Central U.S. snowstorm
Radar Loop of central U.S. snowstorm
19–22 March
A strong storm brought heavy snowfall from the Rocky Mountain Front Range across the Southern Plains on March 19th–22nd, creating a white start to the beginning of spring. The snowfall, coupled with strong winds, caused near-blizzard conditions in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri. The storm brought over 20 inches (51 cm) of snow to portions of Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico. Accumulations over 10 inches (25 cm) were common across the rest of the Southern Plains, with portions of Missouri, Kansas, and Arkansas receiving over a foot (30 cm) of snow. This storm also topped off a very snowy season for the region. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma had its fifth snowiest winter with 23.3 inches (59.2 cm) of snowfall, and Wichita Falls, Texas had its snowiest season with 16.6 inches (42.2 cm).


From January 5-9, 1998, a meteorological disaster known as the Great Ice Storm of 1998 devastated northern New England, northern New York, and southern Canada. In addition to extreme precipitation amounts and widespread flooding, the deadliest element of this storm was the ice accumulation, reaching three inches in certain areas across the region.

[Montanan]

35 pictures of Buffalo Possible worst blizzard in history and we're talking about a place that got 6 feet of snow last month.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/art...f2c9564b11255a

[cherylchecheryl]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The 12yr cycle..
A major winter storm of December affected the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast on December 18th–21st 2010, leaving behind 1–2 feet (30.5 cm–61.0 cm) of snow from North Carolina to New England. The storm at one point was over 500 miles (800 km) in width, eventually affecting 14 states and tens of millions of Americans. The heavy snow crippled the densely populated corridor from Richmond, Virginia to Boston, Massachusetts. Reagan National Airport in Washington, DC experienced its largest calendar day snowfall acumulation on record with 15.0 inches (38.1 cm). The storm was given a preliminary score of Category 3 on the Northeast Snow Impact Scale (NESIS), categorizing the storm as 'Major' and ranking it in the top 25 winter storms to affect the region.

Great Plains Storm
Satellite Loop of Storm
Another major winter storm during December presented a huge part of the country with a white Christmas. The large storm produced blizzard conditions from Texas to the U.S.–Canadian border on December 24th–27th 2010. Dallas, Texas observed its first Christmas Eve snowfall on record. The storm was associated with the most snowfall to affect Oklahoma City, Oklahoma in a 24-hour period (14.1 inches or 35.8 cm) and was the second biggest storm accumulation for Sioux City, South Dakota on record (20.7 inches or 52.6 cm). The storm left travelers stranded in airports and on highways, as many people were in transit for the holiday season.

On February 4th a storm that originated in the southwest U.S. traversed eastward, pumping in moisture from the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic. Some locations in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia recorded more than 30 inches (76 cm) of snow. In Washington, DC (Reagan National Airport), the two-day total of 32.4 inches (82.3 cm) ranked as the highest total storm amount in history. In Philadelphia, the 28.5 inches (72.4 cm) ranked as the second highest amount, behind the 30.7 inches (78.0 cm) received on January 7th–8th, 1996. The 25.0 inches (63.5 cm) that fell in Baltimore was its third highest storm total amount since official records began in 1891.

Another blizzard created havoc during February 9th–11th on the areas that were still digging out from previous storms. This powerful Nor'easter produced as much as 14 inches (35.6 cm) of snow in the Washington, DC area, 17 inches (43.2 cm) in New Jersey, 20 inches (50.8 cm) in Baltimore, as much as 24 inches (61.0 cm) in northern Maryland, and more than 27 inches (68.8 cm) in Pennsylvania. As a result of these two storms, several locations broke seasonal snowfall records, some of which were more than a century old.

National Snow Analyses - Snow Depth
U.S. Snow Depth
February 13
On February 11th–13th, as much as 6 inches (15 cm) of snow fell in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and even the northwest Panhandle of Florida. The largest daily accumulation on record fell in Dallas, Texas. The Dallas/Fort Worth National Weather Forecast office reported that 11.2 inches (28.4 cm) bested the old record of 7.8 inches (19.8 cm) set on January 15th, 1964 and January 14th, 1917. On February 13th every contiguous U.S. state had snow on the ground.

Central U.S. snowstorm
Radar Loop of central U.S. snowstorm
19–22 March
A strong storm brought heavy snowfall from the Rocky Mountain Front Range across the Southern Plains on March 19th–22nd, creating a white start to the beginning of spring. The snowfall, coupled with strong winds, caused near-blizzard conditions in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri. The storm brought over 20 inches (51 cm) of snow to portions of Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico. Accumulations over 10 inches (25 cm) were common across the rest of the Southern Plains, with portions of Missouri, Kansas, and Arkansas receiving over a foot (30 cm) of snow. This storm also topped off a very snowy season for the region. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma had its fifth snowiest winter with 23.3 inches (59.2 cm) of snowfall, and Wichita Falls, Texas had its snowiest season with 16.6 inches (42.2 cm).


From January 5-9, 1998, a meteorological disaster known as the Great Ice Storm of 1998 devastated northern New England, northern New York, and southern Canada. In addition to extreme precipitation amounts and widespread flooding, the deadliest element of this storm was the ice accumulation, reaching three inches in certain areas across the region.

Don't forgot the 1967 Blizzard that hit Chicago area.

[Montanan]

Buffalo hit by 'most devastating storm' in city's history, governor says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...21b30552f78cd0


The "colossal" snowstorm brought winds of nearly 80 mph, the governor said.

Buffalo initiated a travel ban as blizzard conditions moved in.

"I cannot overstate how dangerous the conditions still are," Hochul said Sunday, urging people to stay off the roads on Christmas.

[Lake-Effect]

This morning was a much better drive in Southwestern Ontario than the last two days. We saw more than a few cars in ditches from yesterday, and one flipped tanker truck. The bridges to Buffalo were all closed.

[Sand crab]

It's all going to change soon. Buffalo will be in the mid 50s next week which is about 20 degrees higher than normal. Now we know where 7-11 gets all that ice for their slushies.