australian buying a boat in EU and registering in langkawi

[Factor]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Well, I do hope we aren't dobbed in again....
..

Who dobbed you in last time?

[IslandHopper]

Originally Posted by Factor

Who dobbed you in last time?

Yeah, i'd be interested in the answer to that to?

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by helise

Hi! Moonos,

Please surf, read and understand the laws and don't listen to those liar and bullshitting. https://www.amsa.gov.au/vessels-oper...egister-vessel

Australian owned ships are required to be registered on the Australian general shipping register if it is one of the following:

a commercial vessel, 24 metres or over in tonnage length, capable of navigating the high seas
any vessel travelling overseas.
The following vessels are exempt from the requirement to be registered (except if they are travelling overseas):

pleasure craft
fishing vessels
government vessels.

These vessels are permitted to be registered and may be registered on the Australian general shipping register if the owner chooses to do so.

Read more about the definition of an Australian owned ship.

Australian registered recreational vessels may also require state registration. If you need to find out whether you need state registration, contact your local state marine safety agency.

The Australian international shipping register is open to Australian owned or operated, international trading ships which meet specific criteria. Read more about which ships are eligible to register on the Australian international shipping register.

Regards.

You might want to do a little more research on this.

The "traveling overseas" requirement is related to the clearing out requirements wherein an Australian vessel cannot clear out unless it is Australian registered rather than just state registered.

I think there may be a bit of confusion regarding the registration of ships under both state and commonwealth registration requirements. The international convention the Australian Commonwealth is party to requires that a vessel only have one identity, that is it cannot be registered in two states. I suspect that if you are willing to mount a case in the High Court of Australia re. states requiring Australian registered vessels to be also identified with state registration you'd probably win (bit expensive though)

[El Pinguino]

'a vessel that is Australian owned and sailing to or from an international home port must be registered on the Australian General Shipping Register with AMSA'


Well - that makes absolutely no sense at all......

For the benefit of the 'mericans in our midst... the English English 'home port' = 'hailing port' in 'merican....

[Factor]

Mate - give it away, we didnt write the law, got an issue - take it up with AMSA. Tell them, the error of their ways, you wont change the law having a sook here.

[Moonos]

So clear as mud, eh

[Moonos]

I do like the reply that having an Australian flag made it easy to check into different countries.

Most places seem to like Aussies I have found.

[ketch05]

You can leave your boat in Langkawi as long as you like provided it is registered somewhere (VAT/GST is irrelevant). This is not restricted to Langakawi, the boat can stay indefinitely anywhere in Malalaysia. The registration process in Langkawi might take up to 4 or even 5 months!
I understand it might be difficult to get Insurance with a Langkawi registration as it happened to a friend of mine.
Fair Winds

Originally Posted by Moonos

Awesome, thanks boatman

So possibly i could leave EU for a few weeks before the 90 days expire, then return to grab another 90 days of visa and then take the boat out of the EU?

If it had VAT on the sale price is it possible to claim it back as an export from EU?

If I then continued and eventually arrived in Langkawi with an Australian registered boat would i be able to leave it in Langkawi long term without paying extra tax?

It would be a real challenge crossing the pacific and into Asia without stopping in Australia lol.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

'a vessel that is Australian owned and sailing to or from an international home port must be registered on the Australian General Shipping Register with AMSA'


Well - that makes absolutely no sense at all......

For the benefit of the 'mericans in our midst... the English English 'home port' = 'hailing port' in 'merican....

A couple of warnings:

It is entirely and completely a folly, to be indulged in by only the most hopelessly and completely optimistic, to in any way apply the term "sense" when dealing with any government instrumentality, local, state or federal, in Australia.

The laws, as enacted by our parliamentary representatives, tend to often bear no recognizable relationship to their application by the local, state and federal bureaucrats which infest the continent of Australia.

That being said it's one of the weird things about Australia that it is one of the best run countries in the world, must be the common people.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

A couple of warnings:

It is entirely and completely a folly, to be indulged in by only the most hopelessly and completely optimistic, to in any way apply the term "sense" when dealing with any government instrumentality, local, state or federal, in Australia.

The laws, as enacted by our parliamentary representatives, tend to often bear no recognizable relationship to their application by the local, state and federal bureaucrats which infest the continent of Australia.

That being said it's one of the weird things about Australia that it is one of the best run countries in the world, must be the common people.

We should just be thankful that we aren't still dealing with the 1894 Act... http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...8940060_en.pdf

I believe the colonial version was the largest Act... maybe still is .... in Australia.... it used to make a fine doorstop before being replaced in the 1980s by what I assume is a marginally more concise version. It was only when the new Act came out that we actually had 'Australian' ships... prior to that they were simply 'British ships registered in Australia' ... same same having 'British Subject' on a 'Strayan passport.

The 1894 Act is fine bedtime reading..... beats counting sheep.....

[helise]

Originally Posted by ketch05

You can leave your boat in Langkawi as long as you like provided it is registered somewhere (VAT/GST is irrelevant). This is not restricted to Langakawi, the boat can stay indefinitely anywhere in Malalaysia. The registration process in Langkawi might take up to 4 or even 5 months!
I understand it might be difficult to get Insurance with a Langkawi registration as it happened to a friend of mine.
Fair Winds

Hi! Ketch Owner of S/V Charisma,

Firstly, have you ever registered any vessels with Langkawi Registry (LIYR)?

Secondly, did your friend hold any sailing qualification or certification?.

Thirdly, have your friend did a proper registration with Langkawi Registry or he/she just "BOUGHT" the paper from someone else?

Fourthly, what kind of Insurance did your friend wanna buy, Hull & Machinery or Third Party Liability or both?.

Please DO NOT listen to what others are saying and also DO NOT confuse other Owners with your uncertainty. Please take note of the following:

The Langkawi International Yacht Registry (LIYR):

The Langkawi International Yacht Registry (LIYR) is an exclusive international yacht registry operated by Director General of Marine Malaysia. It is designed for yacht owner seeking to operate under the advantages of an open registry. There is no restriction on ownership and open to any individual, joint owners, corporations and yachting entities.

LIYR provides a favorable environment and protection of assets for those who are involved in yacht-related business. LIYR allows various types registration, full registration, interim registration, bare-boat chartered yacht and yacht under construction.

LIYR has provisions covering carving and marking, registration of mortgages, procedures for registration of transfer of a yacht or share, electronic documentations, training and certification of masters and crew and conditions of employment.

The Langkawi International Yacht Registry (LIYR) is currently operated by Kuah Terminal Marine Department of Malaysia’s office, Langkawi since late 2014.

The Benefits of Registering a Yacht under Langkawi International Yacht Registry (LIYR):

The purpose of registering a yacht is to protect the interests of the registering party (Owners). Explained below herewith are the following safeguards and benefits available through registration:

1) The Ownership of the yacht is recorded in the Registry. Such registration gives a good title to the yacht.
2) Malaysian Nationality (LIYR) for the yacht which accords legal protection on the high seas and in foreign ports.
3) The registered yacht could be used as a security for a mortgage to allow of the yacht to borrow money from a financial institution.
4) The registered yacht could be insure and covered by an insurance company.
5) Malaysian (LIYR) registered yacht can sail overseas or make port calls.
Certificate is recognized worldwide.
6) The registration of the yacht would add to the value of the yacht as the
history of the yacht is well recorded.
7) The registered yacht could have a name, call-sign and/or ID and therefore
enable to apply for a Maritime Radio Station license.
8) The registered yacht could also have an EPIRB fitted on-board for easy identification in the case of an emergency at sea.
9) Enabling rapid tracing of a yacht in the event of theft, mishap or more
serious maritime emergencies as the Rescue Authorities would not be helpless in case of an emergency.
10) The registered yacht may fly Langkawi Red Ensign for identification of her nationality. Yachts which fly the Langkawi Red Ensign are entitled to the
support of Malaysian Consular and High Commission and Malaysian Royal Naval protection.
11) DUTY FREE – No Custom Tax, No GST, No VAT etc. Very low initial
registration and annually fee.
12) No manning requirement, at present.
13) The yacht do not need to be in Langkawi for the registration.
14) Electronic documentation, fast and reliable Government’s Registry.
15) The Owners of the yacht may NOT be a Malaysian and/or Malaysian company.
16) Langkawi is the yachting HEAVEN of the East, equipped with state of the
art facilities, berths, accommodation and services for you and your yacht.
17) Political stability in Malaysia.

Please do not hesitate to contact us, MALAYSIAN MARINE SUPPLIES SDN. BHD. at Telephone No. +607-8635260, Mobile No. +6019-7990170, email address Info.Marine@rocketmail.com, facebook at www.facebook.com/LangkawiRegistry or
Twitter at Langkawi Yacht @LangkawiFlag, if you have any question and/or
matter to clarify.
We look forward to hear from you soon.
Thank you!

I have registered 11 out of 13 of our vessels with Langkawi Registry thro' the above named Agent. It was very very fast, just within 10 working days or less ALL the certificates and licenses [Certificate of Registration, Entity Registration, Carving & Marking Note and Ship Station Radio License (MMSI NO)] are ready for collection/courier.

ALL the above certificates and license will cost you about USD 1,250.00 for Individual and about USD 1,500.00 for Entity Registration.

Furthermore, I have no problems at all to get ALL the vessels insured and this Agent will help you to get all those done.

In future, just contact them and mention my name, Helise Harper you may get 5% discount out of it.

Regards and good-luck!

Elise.

[helise]

Originally Posted by boatman61

No.. if you are taking it out of the EU it is classed as an export so no VAT is due if a new or a charter boat that you have bought..
The boat has 18 months.. You have 90 days.

Yes, boatman. You are absolutely 100% right!

Thanks and regards.

Elise.