A Open Heart Monologue On The Final Decision

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

get more money that what i get now,

And how much will you make, chartering a max of 46 days a year - after taxes and all, according to your calculations?

[TrentePieds]

@Cadence #105

And a God Jul and a Godt Nytår to you too - and to all of you :-)!

The nisser are always a problem, but my beloved gets sentimental, so I had to send off to Denmark for a bunch of them. Fortunately this 'ere colony is really slack when it comes to border security ;-). It' not my chops the nisser get, but the whole dang pork roast! And they get into my akvavit! Bah - Humbug :-)!

TrentePieds

[Hudson Force]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

................
..................... get out from the capitalist lifestyle, get more money .............. .................

This can't be right!

[TrentePieds]

@Hudson, #108:

Dare I, or dare I not ?

Mebbe I do Stephano will know where this comes from:

Dai campi al mare, alla miniera
All'officina, chi soffre e spera
Sia pronto è l'ora della riscossa
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

It's a lovely tune. If you'll all join me I'll lead

TrentePieds

[JPA Cate]

Oh, Trente Pieds,

This comment is in jest, I don't know how to write humor, but here's what I thought: You can't mention that! [expression of mock horror] It is anathema to the Yanks and their two party system! We'll all die!

A.

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by Hudson Force

This can't be right!

Get more money in the future i means, not right now...

@Lizzy

550 euro a person a week, excluding, fuel, food, marina, only the boat and skipper (lets get it for sure, i could ask 650, we payed this summuer 640 for the small stefini36 half broken down)

so 550 x 4 person (of 6) per 6 weeks= 13200 -35 % taxes= 8580 euro net (of wich one month and half living for free, food included)

And think what i will save for rent flat and bills, and even sell car, car's insourance, ecc ...about 13 year, 15 including the mainteniance of the boat (100% first quality mainteniance) to ROI (return of investment) this JUST chartering 42 days a year...

I was just giving a deep look to a italian charter website, and found many strange things (as always, i knows italians...) If i would do the same, i would not be here trying to live and do everything legally...(not easy for an italian)


@hudson, it's not for the money, i don't want to get rich i want to live at least, and unlucky to live we need some money today, if it were for mei will live in a trade exchange, barter, but in the world of today it's not possible!

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

@Hudson, #108:

Dare I, or dare I not ?

Mebbe I do Stephano will know where this comes from:

Dai campi al mare, alla miniera
All'officina, chi soffre e spera
Sia pronto è l'ora della riscossa
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

It's a lovely tune. If you'll all join me I'll lead

TrentePieds

Don't give me to being a comunist or socialist, i'm exactly the opposed...what right now in italy, thanks to the red sinister-cattholic-comunist canno't be displayed or promote in public


P.s. where are you from, just to know?

And please stop talk about politics or stupid joke, ecc. I'm trying to make a serious thread (without any intention to hurt or offend anyone, i feel like edison or galileo talking to whose think dark is better and the world is flat)

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

@hudson, it's not for the money, i don't want to get rich i want to live at least, and unlucky to live we need some money today, if it were for mei will live in a trade exchange, barter, but in the world of today it's not possible!

Let's make you a lucrative charterer ...
You'll be fully booked and sail 6 full weeks (leaving you very little time for the boat)

6 people paying €650 per week:
6 x 650 = € 3,900 x 6 weeks = € 23,400 / 12 = € 1950 monthly income earned.

You're not paying tax in this example, by the way, earning you an extra 30-40% ...

This € 1,950 before tax has to pay for a 50' - 70' boat (fees, upgrades, maintenance etc.) and keep 2 adults clothed, fed, insured ... and not anywhere cheap.

Doable, but hardly worth all the extra work & costs for a boat you don't need.
Average monthly net wage 2014 in Italy was € 1,700.

In other words: you say that with the both of you having jobs, you can't afford a 32' boat.
Both of you quitting your jobs to live on too big a boat and earn less then you do now ...
Yes, that'll be a dream come true

I'm still thinking you're just pulling our leg, but on the off chance you're not, or somebody ends up here later, Ima assume you're serious.

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by Lizzy Belle

Let's make you a lucrative charterer ...
You'll be fully booked and sail 6 full weeks (leaving you very little time for the boat)

6 people paying €650 per week:
6 x 650 = € 3,900 x 6 weeks = € 23,400 / 12 = € 1950 monthly income earned.

You're not paying tax in this example, by the way, earning you an extra 30-40% ...

This € 1,950 before tax has to pay for a 50' - 70' boat (fees, upgrades, maintenance etc.) and keep 2 adults clothed, fed, insured ... and not anywhere cheap.

Doable, but hardly worth all the extra work & costs for a boat you don't need.
Average monthly net wage 2014 in Italy was € 1,700.

In other words: you say that with the both of you having jobs, you can't afford a 32' boat.
Both of you quitting your jobs to live on too big a boat and earn less then you do now ...
Yes, that'll be a dream come true

I'm still thinking you're just pulling our leg, but on the off chance you're not, or somebody ends up here later, Ima assume you're serious.

If i would do it like an italian i would charter all around the world 12 month a year...but i wanto to do it legally...

Pardon about 1700 euro a month,

I just checked the italian statistic's chamber.

2014 data

5,7% of the population is absoluty poor (meaning no home, abusive construction, abusive occupation of un rented flat, livin in caravan, on the street,ecc)
19,4% of the population is risking the poverty
the NET average earning of a FAMILY is: 24.310 euro in the north italy, 20.188 in the center of italy.

44,2 % of the people aged 15-24 does not work, neither look for it, they are back, keep living with parents and living with their money (and now you understand why an average italians left parent's home at 30-35-40 years old, me at 19, with sacrifice but a lot of satisfaction...)

Just before the euro we were 2x richer, it's a long story, trust me, an average single worker's income could buy a new flat in 10 year, a new car, going to restaurant and holiday every year...This until 2000...

Is it enought?

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

Just before the euro we were 2x richer,

I'm in the Netherlands - the euro hurt us all. Badly.
And here too more and more people are (on the verge of becoming) homeless, food banks are turning people down because there are too many people who can no longer afford to feed their families etc. etc.

All very sad and shameful to see in a rich country ... but when I read that last weekend alone - with the busiest time yet to come, the Dutch spent 660 million euro's on Xmas gifts, I do think there's no shortage of money in this country.

It's the same everywhere: the poor are very poor and growing in numbers fast, unemployment is rising, the rich are getting richer and most people just work hard and earn an average or less income ... but still manage to spend 660 million euro's on Xmas gifts while complaining how tough things are and how little money they have

Anyway - not much to do with your plans. But I can see there is no way you're not going to do this, and you're going to do it exactly as you have it planned now, so I'll just wish you good luck and hope it all works out for you and the g/f.

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by Lizzy Belle

I'm in the Netherlands - the euro hurt us all. Badly.
And here too more and more people are (on the verge of becoming) homeless, food banks are turning people down because there are too many people who can no longer afford to feed their families etc. etc.

All very sad and shameful to see in a rich country ... but when I read that last weekend alone - with the busiest time yet to come, the Dutch spent 660 million euro's on Xmas gifts, I do think there's no shortage of money in this country.

It's the same everywhere: the poor are very poor and growing in numbers fast, unemployment is rising, the rich are getting richer and most people just work hard and earn an average or less income ... but still manage to spend 660 million euro's on Xmas gifts while complaining how tough things are and how little money they have

Anyway - not much to do with your plans. But I can see there is no way you're not going to do this, and you're going to do it exactly as you have it planned now, so I'll just wish you good luck and hope it all works out for you and the g/f.

Maybe is not a shortage of money but a too much wellbeing: what 20 years ago is going to be for everybody, and everybody want it, no way, they want it (like iphone with 30 months leasing, ecc)

Thanks, i really appreciate your anyway I guess you understand, living on a boat and not in a design's dutch flat or whatelse

Thanks for the wishes

P.S. can you please tell me your live aboard story?, when you decided it, why, ecc? Even in PM if you prefere

[TrentePieds]

@ Stefano #112

I'm from Missouri. And Americans know what that means :-)

But to answer your REAL question: "How come you know Bandiera Rossa?", the answer is simple: When I was a young man, the age that you are now, that's the sort of thing you could pick up on the waterfront of every port city in the world!

So are you gonna sing it with me ;-)?

TrentePieds

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

@ Stefano #112

I'm from Missouri. And Americans know what that means :-)

But to answer your REAL question: "How come you know Bandiera Rossa?", the answer is simple: When I was a young man, the age that you are now, that's the sort of thing you could pick up on the waterfront of every port city in the world!

So are you gonna sing it with me ;-)?

TrentePieds

Lol i can't belive it, do you mean italian navigator spreading comunism all around the world?

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

P.S. can you please tell me your live aboard story?, when you decided it, why, ecc? Even in PM if you prefere

It's not a secret so here is the short version:

I grew up on boats - smaller sailboats when I was little and larger motorboats later. My dad was a sailor at heart, but my mom never liked it. At all.
With 2 children and a wife who kinda hated sailing, my dad bought his first motorboat. We spent every weekend and vacation etc. out on the water.
He even bought a house for the sole reason it came with its own slip - my dad loved his boats
My brother and I each also had little sailing boats to mess around with.

He never gave us sailing lessons, he just never came to pick us up when we ended up on lee shore (hope that's the right English for it) so we learned pretty darn quick what wind etc. was, so we could get back to the boat / house. Either we learned how to sail, or we went hungry
By the time we were teenagers, I had a Sailhorse and my brother a little motorboat. Spoiled brats, haha!

Anyway - boating and my mother never mixed, and they ended up divorced (not just cos of the boating, but it sure didn't help). My dad went through a bit of a rough patch but recovered, remarried and decided to build his own charter boat (not even kidding, haha!).

Very different charter plans then yours but anyway ... he was well on his way of finally living his dream when he got a melanoma in his eye. They found it very soon, removed it, but a couple of years later we discovered the cancer had made its way to his liver. He died a couple of weeks later, leaving his 2nd wife and kids to sell his dream boat.
Good thing he knew what he was doing, cos it sold quickly and for a decent price.

Having been thinking about living on a boat and stop working too many hours to pay too much rent on houses I didn't really like in crappy neighborhoods (but not having too much choice since I was a single mom and didn't have much money) for years, I stopped thinking and started doing soon after the funeral.

There's still a kid to think about - he's an adult now, but still studying and for several reasons I'm not posting on a public forum, I can't leave yet. But in the meantime, I have a boat I can afford, I don't have to work like a mad woman anymore, I live in a friendly floating village with an open connection to the sea and am slowly but surely getting my boat ready to leave.

And I am completely in love with my little boat. Wouldn't mind a few feet more, but that's just cos I'm a spoiled brat at heart and would like a little more comfort at times. Like warm water and an actual cabin to sleep
But for now, I am more than happy with what I have, and not a day goes by that I don't realize how amazing it is to wake up aboard my waterfront property.

Winter or summer, I still have my first coffee of the day looking out over the water while counting my blessings (and telling the cat to stop scaring the ducks ).

[stefano_ita]

Very interesting story, i really don't know what to say (in a positive way obviously)

Sometime's you have to touch the bottom to rise up