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Jimbo485 · 22-09-2014, 19:53

See post #73 for the Q and the A, Coops.

**Coops** · 22-09-2014, 20:02

I think I will just let it all lie down and die quietly. That is my tip, or bribe.

Coops.

BandB · 22-09-2014, 20:07

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I think I will just let it all lie down and die quietly. That is my tip, or bribe.

Coops.

Wifey B: Are we allowed to send Aussie moderators tips?

zboss · 22-09-2014, 20:41

All I am thinking while sitting and waiting for the officials to come to MY boat when checking in is: that guy over there in the boat in front of me is playing games with the officials and is holding up my sundowners... he better just pay up or he going to put the officials in a bad mood and his boat is going being taken of my xmas "nice list".

Jimbo485 · 22-09-2014, 20:46

Besos y mordidas para todos!
Fuera.
Jim.

**Coops** · 22-09-2014, 23:27

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Wifey B: Are we allowed to send Aussie moderators tips?

Prefer a bribe myself.

Coops.

**atoll** · 23-09-2014, 01:19

i allways time checking in or out about half an hour before lunch time,hunger overcomes greed hands down !

Wrong · 23-09-2014, 09:42

A tip is voluntary and given as an expression of appreciation. A bribe is paid or not depending upon your calculation that what's needed or wanted can be obtained without paying and without being abused in some fashion for not paying. A demand for payment from anyone other than an official is classified under law depending upon the presence or absence of a threat to harm, physical contact (assault), amount of payment in demand and more. A demand for payment by an official, accompanied by an inferred or specified negative consequence if payment is not made is classified depending upon the official's position, authority (power), responsibilities and more. In general, an official who uses his or her position to illegally obtain payments in any form is said to be corrupt.

The cruising environment is characteristically coercive in nature. Whether we are paying "port fees", forced to hire agents we don't need, are confronted by 'requests' or 'demands for payment by anyone - particularly those in positions of authority like immigration or customs officials - there is usually an accompanying threat, inferred or otherwise, of negative consequences if we don't acquiesce and pay. In the case of 'port fees', we have no choice under law but to pay them. But, universally, documents telling in precise terms what must be paid are supposed to be given to anyone requesting permission to enter the country. Payment 'requested' or 'demanded' by an official of government over and above these amounts is illegal. Absent documentation specifying what we are legally obliged to pay, no payment should be made. And, if you feel there's no choice but to pay, demand a receipt. It's a good idea to carry your own receipt book in the likely case an 'official' feigns misunderstanding. The receipt is your proof a payment was made and should be presented along with your complaint to the police. It's unlikely immigration superiors are any more honest than the official just paid. And, if you ultimately end up having to meet with an immigration superior at least they'll know you've already been to the police. Remarkable how their behaviour is likely to change from uncooperative to accomodative.

Whether you pay bribes or tips and visit places requiring you hire an agent is your choice. But your payments and visiting places where using an agent is mandatory affects others who follow in your path.

Regarding my experience(s) or lack thereof some have used to attack my credibility. I'll answer in saying my voyaging to different countries and exposure to the subject(s) comprising this discussion are more than adequate.

**weavis** · 23-09-2014, 11:00

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Regarding my experience(s) or lack thereof some have used to attack my credibility. I'll answer in saying my voyaging to different countries and exposure to the subject(s) comprising this discussion are more than adequate.

I always have difficulty with individuals who disguise ideology as expertise because it creates such a deficit of legitimacy and credibility.

Reiziger · 23-09-2014, 11:55

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Corruption can only be stamped out if people have the guts to say NO. And then go report the matter to a higher authority.

+1

I live as a Dutchman in Brazil and this is my daily routine.

Reiziger · 23-09-2014, 12:40

BTW US citizens are the second riches in the world....

RainDog · 23-09-2014, 12:57

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BTW US citizens are the second riches in the world....

Not sure what the numbers are measuring, but they look highly suspicious. Too much variation.

Reiziger · 23-09-2014, 13:08

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Not sure what the numbers are measuring, but they look highly suspicious. Too much variation.

Average assets per citizen, seems that house owner ship plays a big role. I know that the percentage house owners is high in Switserland and the US. In The Netherlands lots of the houses are rented.

The last collum is the percentage of grow off assets in the last 12 month.

RainDog · 23-09-2014, 13:15

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Average assets per citizen, seems that house owner ship plays a big role. I know that the percentage house owners is high in Switserland and the US. In The Netherlands lots of the houses are rented.

Would love to see their methodology and source. It is very far off what i usually see such as:

National wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by distribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia