SHTF and Boats

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Oh Germany still harbours dreams of an Empire.. this time its called The European Union..
One more shot at the Franco-Prussian Empire..

Nonsense, the EU notion was more a french one of keeping germany down. Moot anyway since germany is now very pacifist. After decades of woke brainwashing , they arent even willing to defend themselves. They are in a suicide death cult. Most younf germand dont know about german accomplishments, and dont even like german culture.

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Oh Germany still harbours dreams of an Empire.. this time its called The European Union..

One more shot at the Franco-Prussian Empire.. [emoji3]

Boary, with all due respect, but what a lot of bull.

Boris is currently dreaming up to get back to old glory, and we see how he forgets to keep things going at home meanwhile.

If you truly believe the EU is mainly about Germany you did not understand its concept at all, as might have all the other Brexiteers....

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Franziska

Boary, with all due respect, but what a lot of bull.

Boris is currently dreaming up to get back to old glory, and we see how he forgets to keep things going at home meanwhile.

If you truly believe the EU is mainly about Germany you did not understand its concept at all, as might have all the other Brexiteers....

I know what the original message statement was.. however that's got warped into a frenzied drive for The Great European Super State, complete with its own army, now being proposed openly not just by the Belgian Waffle in Brussels but he's now got Macron as a cheerleader...
Germany is the engine and France tries to be Robin.

An outliers view..

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I know what the original message statement was.. however that's got warped into a frenzied drive for The Great European Super State, complete with its own army, now being proposed openly not just by the Belgian Waffle in Brussels but he's now got Macron as a cheerleader...

Germany is the engine and France tries to be Robin.



An outliers view.. [emoji3]

Regarding the Euro Super State, I have a different view on this, in my eyes, this is the only way for Europe to maintain a bit of global relevance amongst the other big players like China, Russia, US and India.

A close knit European nation can be made to work, but not if there are no common values and not all believe in it.
Core is to maintain the different cultures while growing closer together when it comes to interaction with external partners like the UK or others.
I feel Europe grew (and is still!) much to fast, but at the time this happened there seemed to be no real alternatives.
Europe needs consolidation and perhaps a few more countries need or will leave for this to happen.

Anyway we are far from the initial topic so I stop here.

[Tillikum]

Originally Posted by Corvidae

What's been worrying me lately isn't just that people were warning about a plague forever, it's the list of other things scientists have been warning about for just as long. From the obvious economic political bickering you can see in this thread, to that meteorite we just couldn't see until too late. Who knows when someone might walk off with one of Pakistan's nukes, or North Korea realizes they have everything they need to make a corona virus, that's WAY more deadly, but only to non-oriental populations.

Human technology has vastly surpassed our sociology, and is yet far too feeble to keep us safe. Even the very benign discoveries of aging treatment or prosthetic interfaces, could easily break the world economy and cause massive wars.

Syria has a draught, which causes farmers to go bankrupt, which sends them to the cities for jobs. Unemployment and homelessness skyrockets, leading to mass unrest and civil war. Which causes mass exodus from the country, destabilizing the entire EU, shifting political stances across the continent, and ends up with the UK leaving the EU.

That's about 1% of the projected damage from climate change over the next century.

So what else have we been warned about for decades?

Human technology has vastly surpassed our inherent psychologies which being biological in nature have not changed since we lived in caves.

The gap between the power of our technologies and the unchanged realities of our natures will continue to widen until there is a catastrophic correction, either of our own creation or a "coincidental reset" of some other origin.

At which point humanity will proceed to do the same things all over again in the earnest belief that it is all entirely new, etc. etc.
This perpetual cycle is generally known as "history".
The disinclination to admit, or even recognize the inherent problem of our psychological and moral limitations is probably greater now than at any time in the last few millennia. I would hazard a guess that this indicates we are approaching a correction.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Franziska

Regarding the Euro Super State, I have a different view on this, in my eyes, this is the only way for Europe to maintain a bit of global relevance amongst the other big players like China, Russia, US and India.

A close knit European nation can be made to work, but not if there are no common values and not all believe in it.
Core is to maintain the different cultures while growing closer together when it comes to interaction with external partners like the UK or others.
I feel Europe grew (and is still!) much to fast, but at the time this happened there seemed to be no real alternatives.
Europe needs consolidation and perhaps a few more countries need or will leave for this to happen.

Anyway we are far from the initial topic so I stop here.

There is little further appetite for closer EU integration , it will be decades in the making of ever. The challenge will be integrating more countries and the issue of turkey. If anything the EU will have to handle more diversity not more integration.

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by Tillikum

Human technology has vastly surpassed our inherent psychologies which being biological in nature have not changed since we lived in caves.

The gap between the power of our technologies and the unchanged realities of our natures will continue to widen until there is a catastrophic correction, either of our own creation or a "coincidental reset" of some other origin.

At which point humanity will proceed to do the same things all over again in the earnest belief that it is all entirely new, etc. etc.
This perpetual cycle is generally known as "history".
The disinclination to admit, or even recognize the inherent problem of our psychological and moral limitations is probably greater now than at any time in the last few millennia. I would hazard a guess that this indicates we are approaching a correction.

1+ to you and the post you quoted.

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by Tillikum

Human technology has vastly surpassed our inherent psychologies which being biological in nature have not changed since we lived in caves.

The gap between the power of our technologies and the unchanged realities of our natures will continue to widen until there is a catastrophic correction, either of our own creation or a "coincidental reset" of some other origin.

At which point humanity will proceed to do the same things all over again in the earnest belief that it is all entirely new, etc. etc.
This perpetual cycle is generally known as "history".
The disinclination to admit, or even recognize the inherent problem of our psychological and moral limitations is probably greater now than at any time in the last few millennia. I would hazard a guess that this indicates we are approaching a correction.

1+ to you and the post you quoted.

[Tillikum]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Funny how the folks attacking "socialism" (while enjoying the benefits of said "socialism") are usually also the ones most concerned about SHTF. Like they really don't have that much faith in their preferred system...

Prepping? I believe that everyone should be able to weather a week of no services or supplies, longer maybe if you live in a remote location. Real SHTF prepping? Ah, I'm too old. And I wouldn't want to live in a world that's mainly armed people in camo with frontier fantasies. If "something" happens, we'll roll with it and help where we can.

Besides, I can't think of any truly SHTF events besides nuclear annihilation, a more deadly pandemic, or an extinction-sized asteroid... and I wouldn't really want to survive those anyway. Anything else... would likely be localized, not global, and we'd muddle through.

If you mean the Tommy Douglas type welfare state it is about as sensible to call it "socialism" as it is to describe free enterprise as "capitalism" (except of course for the poor dolts who belong to the Kult of Karl)

The welfare state of course costs money, and that money comes from taxing the productive part of the population or borrowing from the anticipated wealth of future generations - what is politely known as "debt financing": robbing the grandkids to keep us in the manner to which we are accustomed.

Once the productive portion of the population has had their ability to create wealth choked off by excessive regulation, state parasitism, or deliberate creation of economic instability (as has happened repeatedly in the last two centuries or so), nothing will sustain the welfare state except debt financing, or a dramatically lower standard of living and benefits, combined with repression to control the resulting dissent, in a word "socialism" or "equality of misery" as Churchill so aptly called it.

I'm sure you socialists will enjoy it as much as the peoples of the Soviet Bloc did. Of course you're all fondly imagining that you will be hammers and not nails, but dear friends, read your history and you will see that such potential malcontents have no place in the brave new world, at least not after you've erected the machinery of repression. It needs a steady diet and your kind are always its second meal.

[Oeanda]

robbing the grandkids to keep us in the manner to which we are accustomed...

Nicely sums up the entire global strategy

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Tillikum

If you mean the Tommy Douglas type welfare state it is about as sensible to call it "socialism" as it is to describe free enterprise as "capitalism" (except of course for the poor dolts who belong to the Kult of Karl)

Not quite sure what your point is here.

My comment was just to point out that much of what makes and keeps wealthy countries wealthy is their "framework" of laws, public education, [healthcare for those who've figured this out], roads, ports, borders, etc. This is the stable base of healthy and educated people who are workers and consumers. No consumers, no wealth generated, right?

So, if SHTF, it makes more sense to get together and clean up the S, instead of thinking up ways to hide and fight with each other.

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Not quite sure what your point is here.

My comment was just to point out that much of what makes and keeps wealthy countries wealthy

So, if SHTF, it makes more sense to get together and clean up the S, instead of thinking up ways to hide and fight with each other.

An old Brit once told me “there are no poor countries, only poor people.” And he’s right. The difference between some poor and lots of poor isn’t resources, it the level of corruption in the government.

Fixing the situation is largely out of the hands of the people. I could fix a lot of problems in USA, but a lot of people wouldn’t like my methods, particularly politicians. And so those concerned about SHTF have generally lost confidence in anyone actually fixing things.

[hpeer]

^1+
I surely have lost confidence.
Our boat is serving us well.

[Lake-Effect]

Doesn't anyone else find it ironic that the prepping/"SHTF" movement is most prevalent in the strongest, free-est, wealthiest country in the world? It's hard not to see it as avoidance of problems... or just a slightly wierd obsession or hobby.

If you live in a democracy, but refer to your government as "they" and not "we"... that's on you, isn't it?

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Doesn't anyone else find it ironic that the prepping/"SHTF" movement is most prevalent in the strongest, free-est, wealthiest country in the world? It's hard not to see it as avoidance of problems... or just a slightly wierd obsession or hobby.

If you live in a democracy, but refer to your government as "they" and not "we"... that's on you, isn't it?

I dunno. The black soldiers and sailors who served in Vietnam often referred to the US government as "they" not "we." Is that on them?

As did, and sometimes do, the Indigenous Americans. And those in the Confederate states, not a one of which voted for Lincoln.

Mexico is a democracy, yet many citizens, particularly south of DF, refer to the government as "they". It seems there's not much they can do.

Apparently the residents of Katanga were taking it on themselves, trying to avoid control by a corrupt government, but UN put the kabosh on that. And I think there are some Irish that still use "them' not "we". The list goes on.

Democracy is a great concept, problem is somehow the elite still manage to take control, keep control, and ruin things.