WE, are not slaves.

[Kenomac]

Watch the 1970's Zombie flick "Omega Man" staring Charlton Heston. I live the movie in Massachusetts.

[scoobert]

i have seen soylent green, reminds me of NYC today.

[Suijin]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Now brace yourself.... my wife and I pay $36,000 per year for health insurance

I hope you get a lot for that premium. Might be time to switch to a catastrophic only policy since you can probably pay your regular doctor visits. If you can't, or they exceed your annual premium, then I think you're probably getting a good deal.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Please don't judge our currently broken and corrupt healthcare system here in the USA unless you know all the facts. Obummercare sounds good in speeches, but horrible in reality. I'd like to convert over to a cash pay system for the two of us, but it's not so easy here in the US to do it. The system is completely corrupt and stacked against us.

I mentioned Obamacare cos it's just a baby-step towards universal coverage, yet draws all the attacks. Mostly to stress that the US for whatever reason can't get their head around how much better a single-payer system would work AND cost less, but it's 'soshulizm', so it can't get to 1st base.

[boatman61]

[QUOTE=Kenomac;1334280]Now brace yourself.... my wife and I pay $36,000 per year for health insurance and are now required under Obummercare to pay income tax on the $36,000. How is that fair?
QUOTE]

Shoot... I could get a new body for that in Europe...
Well.. full dental implants, new liver and a face lift at least...

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

I mentioned Obamacare cos it's just a baby-step towards universal coverage, yet draws all the attacks. Mostly to stress that the US for whatever reason can't get their head around how much better a single-payer system would work AND cost less, but it's 'soshulizm', so it can't get to 1st base.

because that worked well in russia.
problem with communism is there are crooks.

its not working in canada either.....

[Cheechako]

Dont worry, they WILL figure out how to tax those living aboard appropriately to match those living on land soon.... It's only a matter of time....

[Vasco]

I've found Alfred's outlook to be very helpful when trying to understand the problems of the day, whether they be the world situation or local taxes. We may all be going to hell in a hand basket, and the destination might be closer than you think. Just enjoy the trip. You're along for the ride, willing or not.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by scoobert

its not working in canada either.....

Absolute bullsh!t.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by scoobert

Everyone who lives on land and owns a house in a nation, or locality, that charges property tax, is a slave. (...)

No.

To have a house is your choice. You can elect otherwise. Not to have the house, not to pay the tax.

When you cruise and you walk into a grocery store and buy your food, there is a tax in it. Does this make you a slave?

If there is going to be less freedom on land, it is going to be likewise on the water.

We are only free to sail while there are affluent societies on land that tolerate us parasites on their brim. We are a romantic decoration for their realistic set.

A person living their land life can be free as much as a person sailing a boat can. And they can go out and walk some too. They may be slaves to you, but at least they are not prisoners in their own houses.

End of rant/

b.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Absolute bullsh!t.

how old are you?
i ask because many Canadians, i personally know, have come to the US.
WHY? because they would have died in Canada.
WHY? because the wait for open heart surgery was 8 months.
so they came here, and paid, vs dying.
working? thats broken, not working.
and i do not recommend you circumvent the profanity filter.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

Dont worry, they WILL figure out how to tax those living aboard appropriately to match those living on land soon.... It's only a matter of time....

indeed, but all they will do is scare off the cruisers.
the ones who do spend money.
and there are places to go with no tax, even then.
many unpopulated islands in the south pacific.

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by scoobert

how old are you?
i ask because many Canadians, i personally know, have come to the US.
WHY? because they would have died in Canada.
WHY? because the wait for open heart surgery was 8 months.
so they came here, and paid, vs dying.
working? thats broken, not working.
and i do not recommend you circumvent the profanity filter.

That's because they can afford to come here and pay for it one way or another. Most cant afford to. Canada's system is a managed system for sure. How else could it be done? Most of the affluent nations of the world have a govt based system for basic care at least.
The real question is "is a person who cant afford to pay $1000 a month for health care better off in Canada or US"? Is the person who couldnt wait 8 months in Canada worse off because he's in Canada? No... because he can still do what Americans have to do 100% of the time... go pay for it!

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

No.

To have a house is your choice. You can elect otherwise. Not to have the house, not to pay the tax.

When you cruise and you walk into a grocery store and buy your food, there is a tax in it. Does this make you a slave?

If there is going to be less freedom on land, it is going to be likewise on the water.

We are only free to sail while there are affluent societies on land that tolerate us parasites on their brim. We are a romantic decoration for their realistic set.

A person living their land life can be free as much as a person sailing a boat can. And they can go out and walk some too. They may be slaves to you, but at least they are not prisoners in their own houses.

End of rant/

b.

This is bang on. Furthermore, it's a privilege to be part of a society where you can achieve enough financial clout to be able to own a house, and/or a boat, and to go just about anywhere you want, and to be free of the many privations, large and small, that beset the citizens of less-developed countries.

I don't cheer and sing when I pay my tax bills, but I have a better sense than some, it seems, about what I've been getting back.

I have freedom, in the best senses of the word. I still work, but I'm nobody's slave.

[Doodles]

Originally Posted by scoobert

Everyone who lives on land and owns a house in a nation, or locality, that charges property tax, is a slave.
In fact, you don't own land, or a home.
You rent it from the government.
Stop paying your rent, see what happens.
...

Not a very logical argument. No matter where or what you live on trying not paying your income taxes and see what happens ... still a slave? No matter where you go or live there will be taxes of some sort. They don't make you a slave but the way you view them can.