Wood Stove

[hpeer]

Just from the past futures the planar 44 looks suspiciously like an esapr D4.

I wonder if they are direct replacements, mounting and thermostats?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Just from the past futures the planar 44 looks suspiciously like an esapr D4.

I wonder if they are direct replacements, mounting and thermostats?

The mount plates are identical as are the thermosfat plugs and harnesses

[hpeer]

It may well be worth buying one as a spare if you already have an Espar D4.

Any knowledge of the glow plug and blower motor?

Would they drive the fuel feed motor?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by hpeer

It may well be worth buying one as a spare if you already have an Espar D4.

Any knowledge of the glow plug and blower motor?

Would they drive the fuel feed motor?

The feed pump is an indelendant unit

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by newhaul

catuo which is the same manufacturer of the planar units

So Planar the Russian company outsources all its production to China?

> one thing I did notice is it says it can use gasoline or diesel

There are dozens of such heaters made by Webasto and Espar specifically for gasoline (benzin).

I have never heard of one model that could burn either, would be very skeptical of that.

Note a hydronic style unit gives a lot more flexibility,

can be integrated with engine block heating

can provide HWS as well as distributed space heating.

> original vw beetle

I've owned dozens of beetles in many countries, production years from 1959 to 1968, and never heard of anyone using parking heaters in them.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

So Planar the Russian company outsources all its production to China?

> one thing I did notice is it says it can use gasoline or diesel

There are dozens of such heaters made by Webasto and Espar specifically for gasoline (benzin).

I have never heard of one model that could burn either, would be very skeptical of that.

Note a hydronic style unit gives a lot more flexibility,

can be integrated with engine block heating

can provide HWS as well as distributed space heating.

> original vw beetle

I've owned dozens of beetles in many countries, production years from 1959 to 1968, and never heard of anyone using parking heaters in them.

I would bet they do outsource some parts . Cheaper to cast aluminum parts as well as build electronics .


I think that was written to cover all models , hence my recommendation
The beetle heater is an eberspacher bn2 model I have only seen them in pictures myself .

[PortClydeMe]

Originally Posted by LadyByrd

I really want a wood stove on my sail boat, specifically the cubic mini. I'll be living aboard in the Seattle area and will need the dry heat source. I understand you have to burn specific woood and storing wood can be a pain. And, the cleaning . Are those the main reasons? Why do I not see many sail boats having them? Is it harder to insure the boat with a wood stove? Isn't diesel more expensive if used regularly?

I'm trying to learn as much as I can before making the transition so that I can have a cozy first winter living aboard. Thank you to all for sharing your wisdom.

I have decades of experience with wood stoves / fireplaces in cold climates. There are a few things to consider:

1) Fuel (the wood)
2) Stowage (the wood)
3) Downdrafts (chimney hight)
4) Bellows (fireplace)
5) "Pops" and "Sparks" (fireplace, mostly)
6) Ashes

That's about it. Fireplaces are heartwarming, and fun to watch. Wood stoves, not so much, but still fun. You can cook food on both. The heat is great. Burning wood smells great (my opinion).

If you want to burn wood, learn how to correctly use a wood stove / fireplace. It's important.

If you are up in the Northwest anywhere near Port Townsend, Washington, you should try and track down the current owner of the schooner yacht "W.N. Ragland" - previously owned by Canadian music star Neil Young (three photos attached).

It appears that when Neil owned the yacht, he was using a fairly large wood stove in which you could watch the fire - some wood stowed next to the stove. A later photo (new owner, perhaps?) shows a smaller wood(?) stove in the same location.

Burn wood. It's fun to watch.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I think that was written to cover all models, hence my recommendation

Sorry can't figure out what reco you mean, nor what "that" above references?

If not important, then never mind

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Sorry can't figure out what reco you mean, nor what "that" above references?

If not important, then never mind

has to do with the description of using gasoline or diesel .
I recommended not using gasoline unless the unit is specifically designed for that particular fuel.

[Olddan1943]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Our HiSeas is on the left in this photo.

To be honest, when I look at that nav station, I see the electric"worms" but still cant see the stove. Hmmmm

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by newhaul

has to do with the description of using gasoline or diesel .
I recommended not using gasoline unless the unit is specifically designed for that particular fuel.

OK, for sure, the idea of a single burner designed to handle either is afaik pie in the sky.

One of my concerns about the supercheap Chinese gear is English language ability, assuming any tech support is even available.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

OK, for sure, the idea of a single burner designed to handle either is afaik pie in the sky.

One of my concerns about the supercheap Chinese gear is English language ability, assuming any tech support is even available.

tech support is in English via electronic means but what do you need tech support for it for?
The control board is 25 bucks . And if anything else dies you replace the whole unit . ( costs more to repair than replace)

[Olddan1943]

Multi walled stove pipe. Combustion air is sucked into the fire firebox, cooling the actual exhaust pipe. Use a chimney brush as needed.
I am still too frighten to use an open flame to heat a boat.
Set your boat on fire, you might end up in the cold water.
Set your house on fire, you might have to spend a few nights in a motel.

[LadyByrd]

Originally Posted by PortClydeMe

I have decades of experience with wood stoves / fireplaces in cold climates. There are a few things to consider:

1) Fuel (the wood)
2) Stowage (the wood)
3) Downdrafts (chimney hight)
4) Bellows (fireplace)
5) "Pops" and "Sparks" (fireplace, mostly)
6) Ashes

That's about it. Fireplaces are heartwarming, and fun to watch. Wood stoves, not so much, but still fun. You can cook food on both. The heat is great. Burning wood smells great (my opinion).

If you want to burn wood, learn how to correctly use a wood stove / fireplace. It's important.

If you are up in the Northwest anywhere near Port Townsend, Washington, you should try and track down the current owner of the schooner yacht "W.N. Ragland" - previously owned by Canadian music star Neil Young (three photos attached).

It appears that when Neil owned the yacht, he was using a fairly large wood stove in which you could watch the fire - some wood stowed next to the stove. A later photo (new owner, perhaps?) shows a smaller wood(?) stove in the same location.

Burn wood. It's fun to watch.

Thank you! I love a cozy fire when it's a chilly out. It gets cold and wet in the PNW, so perfect conditions for a wood stove in my opinion. I don't understand why more people don't have one that area.

[PortClydeMe]

Originally Posted by LadyByrd

Thank you! I love a cozy fire when it's a chilly out. It gets cold and wet in the PNW, so perfect conditions for a wood stove in my opinion. I don't understand why more people don't have one that area.

You're most welcome. Same here, nothing like a cozy fire to watch and keep warm. In the Northeast (Maine) it gets COLD. As for why more people don't have, or don't use, fireplaces / wood stoves, it's basically because most people use oil or electric heat these days ... and many people have no experience on how to safely burn wood (house or boat). It's that simple. If I lived in the PNW, I'd have a wood stove on my boat.

By the way, don't use green (fresh / wet) wood. Use 'seasoned' or 'kiln-dried' wood. Don't forget the andirons, tongs, and a good poker. Enjoy.