Changes in Atlantic currents

[StuM]

Originally Posted by EngineerRetired

It's pretty foolish to reject that climate change is happening. I suppose if a person buries their head deep enough...

It's pretty foolish to believe that climate change is something new.

Or to believe that we can draw conclusions by comparing current daily/monthly/annual weather variations with earlier periods based only on multi-decadal to centennial scale, frequently conflicting proxies.

Or that we can use an ensemble of GCM's that all produce different results to predict the weather decades ahead.

[garyfdl]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

They all feed at the same well of conspiracy , big pharma , bill gates microchip etc

It’s just cognitive dissonance at work

[Reefmagnet]

The irony....

[boatman61]

They need to campaign dramatically, they've a large salary cost to cover from the mugs donations..

The average salary for Greenpeace employees is $60,511 per year. Visit PayScale to research Greenpeace salaries, bonuses, reviews, benefits, and more!

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by boatman61

They need to campaign dramatically, they've a large salary cost to cover from the mugs donations..

The average salary for Greenpeace employees is $60,511 per year. Visit PayScale to research Greenpeace salaries, bonuses, reviews, benefits, and more!

Go easy. I'm quite certain that hot air balloons fabricated from papyrus and bamboo and made airtight using natural tree resins and painted in naturally coloured ochres and powered only by hydrogen electrolysed using solely renewable energy don't come cheap.

[garyfdl]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Maybe 5 mins in the shower instead of 30+mins.

Little fixated on people in showers are we?

[TrentePieds]

Quote: "...just Cox's and Pippins"

Sorry to have to tell you, you can't get 'em on this 'ere continent :-)

YP

[seandepagnier]

Originally Posted by StuM

It's pretty foolish to believe that climate change is something new.

" The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases," -- https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...carbon-dioxide

It is not the change which obviously has always happened but the rate of change. The only times the climate has changed at a rate faster than today is in extreme events resulting in mass extinctions. So your argument is what exactly?

As for boats, all of the best stories and most interesting adventures were in the age of sail. Once engines arrived they degraded the adventure, skills, competence and character of those aboard. So having nothing to do with emissions, having a world without engines on boats would be a great benefit.

So many times people have yelled enthusiasm to me and complement my use of sails while I pass by in canals and harbors only 20ft or less from the shore because so few boats do. Even though they may see many boats, they hardly see any of them sailing: instead only lazy/incompetent people motoring.

[Nicholson58]

It was less than 20,000 years ago that where I live was covered by one mile of ice. The climate has changed but I doubt it had anything to do with humans burning buffalo dung. In that time, sea level rose 400 feet. The average world temperature in the last 12,000 years has been remarkably stable, nearly constant. Far more so than any other time of pre history. We might better try to understand that than tilt at windmills. We humans are so arrogant as to believe we are the root of all. Pure hubris. We are dust on this bump.

[StuM]

Back to the dire warning from the Postdam Institute.

Quoting a remark from elsewhere without further comment:

"Sadly Boers’ study is paywalled, which I find a little surprising. I mean if you wanted to warn people about an imminent comet strike, would you charge money for people to read your warning, or would you forget self interest and try to spread the news as far and fast as possible, in the hope of producing a response?
So why would anyone charge money for people to see their warning about what they claim is an imminent global climate catastrophe?"

[garyfdl]

https://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius...m18-173546.pdf

Note the date of publication...

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by garyfdl

Not like this; not in my lifetime (and I've been around a while).

The fires are bigger because they are more uncontrollable and they are more uncontrollable because fuel loads have been allowed to increase.

"climate change" has become the universal excuse for poor forest management policies.

[jimbunyard]

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”

Carl Sagan, from The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark 1995

Sagan was prescient but not enough so. For 'America', insert 'the 'first' world
(or a large subset of individuals comprising it) who see their privleged lifestyles being threatened by circumstances beyond their control'.

Even if their self-delusion prohibits them from realizing it...

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by garyfdl

Little fixated on people in showers are we?

Oh how droll we think we are..
Less fixated than you with your agenda..

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

Quote: "...just Cox's and Pippins"

Sorry to have to tell you, you can't get 'em on this 'ere continent :-)

YP

TP.. I was talking to an Irishman not a N American.. I do realise we on this side of the pond are just a very small sub group... look on it as further education, something new to Google..

[Don C L]

I don't know about Australia, but in California, the fire season is pretty much all year now. When the winds blow, no amount of "forest management," aside from just cutting down all the trees, will help. In many cases however it is not even forest that is burning. Shall we make our land a desert to prevent it from becoming a desert?