Good News: Great Barrier Reef Recovering Nicely!

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

He was going really well until he threw this bit in:

*Mitigation of these climatic threats requires immediate global action on climate change."*

which immediately identified him as just another AGM/CC zealot. This sort of language is a pretty infallible give-away of "other agendas".

That is a direct quote from the report linked in LakeSuperior's #1 post. Are you saying that Lake Superior is an "AGM/CC zealot?" (And what, pray tell, does AGM stand for? <laugh>) I'm pleased to see that LakeSuperior has abandoned his foolish denierism and become a card-carrying alarmist.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by SailOar

That is a direct quote from the report linked in LakeSuperior's #1 post. Are you saying that Lake Superior is an "AGM/CC zealot?" (And what, pray tell, does AGM stand for? <laugh>) I'm pleased to see that LakeSuperior has abandoned his foolish denierism and become a card-carrying alarmist.

What I am stating is whoever the author was. The OP does not contain that statement.

And the odd frivolous interjection is as far as I want to get into the AGM/CC thing.

AGM = Anthropogenic Global Warming, CC = Climate Change, the latest in a long line of "you're going to burn in hell" superstitious, nihilist religious fads.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

AGM = Anthropogenic Global Warming ...

Your confusion is showing ...

[ArmyDaveNY]

I just read this interesting article on NoonSite. https://www.noonsite.com/report/insi...-helping-hand/

The article is too long to post here in its entirety, however the first paragraph, posted below, offers some hope. Please note the article does not downplay the issues coral reefs are facing, but it does show that there is hope. It is an interesting article and shows one aspect of the reefs that often gets missed in the macro discussions.

Per the article: "Dutch cruisers Floris and Ivar have sailed thousands of nautical miles around the world, investigating local sustainability projects in countries they visit. In French Polynesia they were in awe of the beauty of the coral reefs they saw there. Unfortunately these important ecosystems are under threat but a coral gardening project in Mo’orea is proving that it is possible to restore these vitally important ecosystems."

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Your confusion is showing ...

anthropogenic
/ˌanθrəpəˈdʒɛnɪk/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
(chiefly of environmental pollution and pollutants) originating in human activity.

the "M" is a typo, should be "W" they happen quiet often. No confusion on my part I see BS and agendas quiet clearly.

And the science has a problem. From page 2 The Australian July 30:

"Leading climate scientists conceded that models used to estimate how much the world will warm with rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are running too hot.

"It's become clear over the last year or so that we can't avoid this." Gavin Schmidt, director of NASAs Goddard Institute for Space Studies, told Science magazine."

I mean whose a poor dumb old roughneck going to believe, perhaps we ain't gonna burn in hell.

???

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

And the science has a problem. From page 2 The Australian July 30:

"Leading climate scientists conceded that models used to estimate how much the world will warm with rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are running too hot.

"It's become clear over the last year or so that we can't avoid this." Gavin Schmidt, director of NASAs Goddard Institute for Space Studies, told Science magazine."

I mean whose a poor dumb old roughneck going to believe, perhaps we ain't gonna burn in hell.

???

Very interesting. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. After reading the article it looks like the current projections are not as hot as they had thought, but still too hot for comfort.

U.N. climate panel confronts implausibly hot forecasts of future warming

• Many of the world’s leading models are now projecting warming rates that most scientists, including the modelmakers themselves, believe are implausibly fast.
• Last year, a landmark paper that largely eschewed models and instead used documented factors including ongoing warming trends calculated a likely climate sensitivity of between 2.6°C and 3.9°C.
• So the IPCC team will probably use reality—the actual warming of the world over the past few decades—to constrain the CMIP projections.
• “Observations now provide a clear view for what climate change will be.”

It appears that the latest constrained models will lower estimated temperatures by ~1/4 degree for the low-emission scenario, and ~3/4 degrees for the high-emission scenario. This is still plenty serious, and sufficient grounds for continued efforts to ween ourselves off fossil fuels.

[GordMay]

Rebuilding Coral Reefs: A Decadal Grand Challenge

The International Coral Reef Society, which represents thousands of coral scientists, issued an urgent call to governments on July 20, 2021, to do more to protect coral reefs. [1]
As part of its report on the state of the world’s reefs, it listed ways to help reefs survive, including investing in conservation, management and restoration; committing to slow climate change, reduce pollution and stop overfishing; and supporting efforts to help corals adapt to warming waters.
With swift action to slow climate change, the group writes, about 30% of reefs could survive the century;
if global temperatures rise by 2 C (3.6 F) or more, only about 1% will still exist.
At stake is an estimated US$10 trillion in annual economic value and coastline protection.

About ➥ Rebuilding Coral Reefs - Grand Challenge - International Coral Reef Society

Executive Summary ➥ http://coralreefs.org/wp-content/upl...mm_ENGLISH.pdf

[1] Full report ➥ http://coralreefs.org/wp-content/upl...high_resol.pdf



“Coral reef scientists raise alarm as climate change decimates ocean ecosystems vital to fish and humans”
More ➥ https://theconversation.com/coral-re...-humans-164743



Global Reef Expedition: Great Barrier Reef
In this episode of The Global Reef Expedition, the Living Oceans Foundation team settles in for a month on the GBR, the largest reef in the world. One of them is studying sharks, and in a flashback we visit French Polynesia, where sharks abound and the team films natural shark feeding behaviors for the first time ever. Back on the GBR, the scientists explore the northern Reef, until recently the healthiest part. The program concludes with new footage of the 2016 bleaching and severe die-off among these corals.
➥ https://youtu.be/7yisyMO-Xi0

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Interesting opinion piece in the Weekend Australian by professor Rudd last week wherein he states that the biggest problem the reef has is the massive increase in academics seeking to get their hands into the public pocket.

Which means, exactly, nothing.

And, BTW, it is Ridd, not Rudd. And it is a letter to the editor, not an article, and it is behind a paywall, so you can't read it unless you pay.
Super informative post.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

And the science has a problem.

Well that you got right! The problem is scientific literacy of the populace, which is in desperately short supply. From science 101 - you have to look at the entirety of the evidence. Cherry picking is scientific misconduct. I'm sure it has been explained to you before - the overwhelming body of evidence supports anthropogenic climate change. Your posts are just political rants.

[Elleroo]

There was mention of the GBR being the most regulated fishery in the world.


Should have had ' during daylight' to that.

Forty or so years ago, the devastation of the reef was put down to the crown of thorns proliferation, due to their main regulator being clams, which filtered the larvae out of the system, being decimated. There was a sea urchan that fed on the CoT as well, which the asians took in millions.

Patrol boats which managed to catch the asian fishing boats inside of territorial waters, were regularly finding many tens of tons of clam meat on board. Bear in mind, that a 100 year old clam yielded only a few pounds of meat.

Today, those asian boats are still doing it. They wait outside the limits, then skiffs race inshore to rape and ravage the reef, then gone back out to the mother ship at dawn.

I was brought up running around the beaches of the Tweed Coast, at a picturesque place called Hastings Point. My family was involved in commercial fishing, and also built the workboats. I was there just before last Christmas, and sat up on the headland to watch the sun rise.

And guess what? The asian skiffs were there fishing out in the first break, then took off at first light. If it's happening that far south, then it's still on the reef.

If people seriously want recovery on the reef, then very robust policing of the illegal fishing is needed, and not just lip service being paid. With the satellite services now available, there shouldn't be an asian boat anywhere near national waters, at any time.

The prawn fishery in the Gulf had big problems with asians, until the trawlermen took things into their own hands. TOW missiles from Vietnam did the trick. And the skippers noted the subsequent wreck locations, which were quietly shared among each other, not publicly. Aus navy turned a blind eye.

Same needs to be done today on The Reef.

End of rant from a bush Queenslander.

[GordMay]

Speaking of shrimp/prawns:
I just tried popcorn shrimp, and I realized that there isn’t any popcorn in it.

There goes my pot roast.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Which means, exactly, nothing.

And, BTW, it is Ridd, not Rudd. And it is a letter to the editor, not an article, and it is behind a paywall, so you can't read it unless you pay.
Super informative post.

Yep, you're right, Rudd is the malicious ghost of a former prime minister and Ridd is the former physics professor who was fired from James Cook University for being critical of the junk science being produced by others supposedly "studying" the Great Barrier Reef.

And it wasn't a "letter to the editor" it was an opinion piece in the "Commentary" section.

And, being one of those old dinosaurs who still actually still buy and read news papers, and whilst I built my first computer from components and taught myself to program about forty years ago, I am pretty computer illiterate but assume when you say "behind a paywall" that you are employing some sort of slang term to refer to a subscription service.

The comment was to illustrate that in professor Ridd's opinion the problem is not the reef, which exists in it's life and death building cycles as it has for millennia but the excessive number of so called reef experts who now jostle each other for leadership of the "The Reef is Dead" doomsday cult.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Well that you got right! The problem is scientific literacy of the populace, which is in desperately short supply. From science 101 - you have to look at the entirety of the evidence. Cherry picking is scientific misconduct. I'm sure it has been explained to you before - the overwhelming body of evidence supports anthropogenic climate change. Your posts are just political rants.

I take a sympathetic view of the populace and tend to the opinion that they can't all be as brilliant as us participants in Cruiser Forum and consequently experts in science 101.

For instance they are not aware that when professor Ridd tries to explain that what might be called "proxies" describes the process whereby cherry picking recently damaged relatively small sections of the reef and using their condition to claim that the entire thousand or so nautical miles of reef is also damaged to the same extent for the purpose of headline grabbing he is identifying bad science.

Now, let's address the "overwhelming body of evidence argument".

The Ridd case is a perfect example of why scientists are reluctant to challenge the AGW/CC zeitgeist, if you do so you'll get fired from your job and become bogged in an expensive legal quagmire to protect your scientific reputation by people who can use other peoples money to do so whilst you risk yours.

Of course there's an "overwhelming body of evidence" because anyone who is courageous enough to identify that a pile of rotting garbage is also pretty overwhelming from an olfactory viewpoint for the same reasons is destined to become a victim of the AGW/CC zealots.

Fortunately there appears to be a body of scientists who still employ scientific methods such as population of transects studies over widely dispersed observation stations and coral core studies and were thereby able to demonstrate that rather than "The Reef is Dead" it is alive and well and that recovery from the latest episodes of cyclone and the pulses of warm water damage which fairly regularly occur is well underway and that rather than dying the reef is alive, well and thriving.

[Sandy0101]

Thank you for the reality check. Appreciated.

[Reefmagnet]

Queue Sailoar et al in 3...2....1......