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[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

If you don't think so, you don't have really have enough background knowledge or judgement to be debating all this.

Of course anyone who's citing garbage sites like rebelnews.com and thedesertreview.com is just looking for supporting arguments, not the scientific truth.

Science is a process, no about absolute truths. The garbage is produced en mass in the mass media. It is one big blob.

Of course the same proteine has the same properties and toxicity, regardless if delivered by an artificial Viris mRNA or by the real virus RNA.

Next big thing will be to argue about good and bad CO2.

[Thumbs Up]

The vaccines are harming those with existing covid antibodies. Ones that have lasting, durable, immunity, unlike the shot and they are already immune. This is not being recognized. They are firing the front line health workers (who have had covid), for not taking the shot (due, no doubt to what they have seen take place). The real science is being ignored. The doctors who know and treat covid are being ignored. I don't listen to any politicians or right wing commentators as you imply(unless they are hosting Dr. Peter Mccullough). Trusted news initiative formed in 2019 (to get the story straight), They include“AP, AFP, BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU), Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft, Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, and The Washington Post.” They all post the agreed upon stories to "fight disinformation". They (or whoever is telling them what to say) is telling us what the truth is. Can we trust the trusted news initiative? Delta was the predicted result of trying to vaccinate into a pandemic. There were many variants. Delta won. Early multidrug therapy treats it. The vaccinated are slightly easier to treat but is still very treatable either way. The long term vaccine adverse events (even the short term ones) are a complete unknown. The present known effects are mostly being hidden and the danger signals (deaths, permanent injuries) are through the roof. The way you are acting, this war like attitude to those that don't want little babies and children and teenagers and young adults to get the experimental shot that they already fudged the trial of and killed and permanently disabled thousands. This way you are behaving was programmed to you by trusted news initiative. They are the consortium of propaganda that put you in a trance. I trying to present science but you guys still keep posting propaganda!

Since time immemorial, those with power have used it to control those without. In the modern world, big government and big tech represent the seats of power when it comes to who is allowed to say what. Of course, many think that “private companies” can regulate speech in any way they see fit. But from either an ethical or legal point of view, this is false. The argument from the societal benefits of free speech works equally for posting YouTube videos and handing out flyers on a corner. Legally, the Supreme Court has long held that when a private company creates something that functions as a public square (think of a company town), the First Amendment comes into play. Way back in April 2020, it was already clear that the then-existing online socio-political censorship was going to expand into the world of science, medicine, and academia in the new COVID-19 era. https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-c...ide-the-facts/

Your comments are disturbing you are starting to sound like the nazis or gestapo or something. Sorry to bring that out in you. Don't put it on me. Too bad that you have let the media make you feel that way. Thousands of doctors and medical workers are speaking out now.
They are still being censored. Sorry but that Reuters article was a thinly veiled cover story, one of hundreds that are churned out on a weekly basis, a propaganda mill. I opened every link on that all I got for science contradicted what they said it did and I proved it with my preceding post. You also apparently have little reading comprehension. The rest of the links were fluff.
The virus spike protein and the vaccine spike protein were the same. Now we have Delta (which has slightly different spike protein) but the original spike protein is still produced in some people that had the shots and it is killing them.
I pretty much tore your fact check to pieces. They are corrupt. They work for Pfizer. They all work together. You are brainwashed. Chill out.
They wanted a pandemic. They were all planning for the next pandemic. They made the virus and patented it along with the cures. But your media god tells you not to look at that information. They tell you it is propaganda. Tell me this, propaganda from where? Who is funding it? Sounds like a conspiracy to me. It looks like it is just regular people against a giant consortium. I see what side you are on. Because we know who funds your side and they all have huge conflicts of interests. Isn't that SUSPICIOUS?!

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

If you don't think so, you don't have really have enough background knowledge or judgement to be debating all this.

Of course anyone who's citing garbage sites like rebelnews.com and thedesertreview.com is just looking for supporting arguments, not the scientific truth.

It doesn't fit the actual definition of a pathogen. Semantics. Still harmful either way. At least I admit it when I'm wrong. Can't say that for any of you.
Someone has to host alternative sources. Youtube was controversial before they censored. Don't shoot the messenger is what they say. I don't trust the trusted news initiative so what does that leave. You have weak arguments.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

... They are corrupt. They work for Pfizer. They all work together. You are brainwashed. Chill out.
They wanted a pandemic. They were all planning for the next pandemic. They made the virus and patented it along with the cures..!

I cannot find a patent application [from Pfizer nor anyone else], for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Perhaps, you could show us.


However:
The Pirbright Institute, a research centre in England, filed for a patent on “the coronavirus” in 2015, but it is for a coronavirus that causes avian bronchitis. The word “avian” means “relating to birds.” This is not SARS-CoV-2; it’s a virus called IBV. (Multiple instances of this application can be found as US10130701B2, EP3172319A1 and EP3172319B1.) [1]

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill was flagged in the conspiracy video Plandemic, as being the start of the coronavirus patent “rabbit trail,” but the patent we are shown is for a coronavirus that causes gastroenteritis in pigs, and that typically kills newborn piglets that catch it (US7279327B2 and WO 02/086068 A2). [2]

A French conspiracy video, making the rounds, points to a coronavirus patent, held by the Institut Pasteur, the CNRS, and the Université Paris VII (EP 1 694 829 B1) [3]. The video even goes so far as to accuse France of creating the COVID-19 coronavirus, and releasing it in Wuhan. The French patent [3], as it turns out, is for a human coronavirus: SARS-CoV.
Before COVID-19, the virus responsible for SARS in 2003 was called “SARS-CoV.” Some researchers have now begun to refer to it as “SARS-CoV-1”, to more clearly distinguish it from SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.
When a patent application, from the early 2000s, refers to “SARS-CoV”, it is a different virus, than the one we are dealing with now, which did not exist at the time (a precursor of it was most likely being passed around in animals like bats, but it had not been transmitted to humans yet).

Another patent application, this one filed by Chiron Corp in 2004, is also tied to SARS-CoV-1 (US2006257852A1). [4]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in the United States, stepped in and filed their own patent, on the isolated SARS virus, its genes, its proteins, and the methods to detect it, and the infection it was causing (US7220852B1 and US7776521B1). [5]
The reason? They wanted to prevent others from “monopolizing the field”, and to allow researchers to develop diagnostics and therapeutics, to help deal with the SARS outbreak.

Then, there’s the Microsoft patent that showed, we are told, that Bill Gates was filing for protection of a system, by which vaccines would be mixed with a microchip, that would make us trackable by authorities (WO 2020/060606 A1).
If you want a good laugh, click on the link [6].
The application does not contain the words “vaccine”, “chip” or “inject.” It is a document explaining a way to mine for cryptocurrency, in which computer labour is replaced by human body activity.

But, just because some research centres, and companies, [none of them Pfizer] filed to patent animal coronaviruses, and the human SARS virus, means absolutely nothing, with regards to the COVID-19 [SARS-CoV-2] coronavirus.
There is still zero evidence that this new coronavirus was deliberately created by humans, and every indication that it mutated spontaneously, as viruses routinely do, and became good at invading human cells.

[1a] ➥ https://patentimages.storage.googlea...US10130701.pdf
[1b] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3172319A1/en
[1c] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3172319B1/en

[2a] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3172319B1/en
[2b] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2002086068A2/ru

[3] ➥ https://patentimages.storage.googlea...P1694829B1.pdf

[4] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/US...q=US2006257852

[5a] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852B1/en
[5b] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/US7776521B1/en

[6] ➥ https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020060606A1/en

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

... I don't trust the trusted news initiative so what does that leave. You have weak arguments.

Apparently, the most far-out, wacko, contrarian sources; with the least plausible disinformation, that satisfies your world view.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by GordMay

I cannot find a patent application [from Pfizer nor anyone else], for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Perhaps, you could show us. ...

Sorry, I ran out of steam, before I noted that Chinese researchers posted the virus’ genetic sequence on an open-access site [virological.org], and at GenBank [3], freeing researchers to analyze, and share, the data. [no patent].

In early January, 2020, Chinese scientists submitted the gene sequencing data, for “nCoV” virus [now “SARS-CoV-2"] for posting on Virological.org [1], a hub for prepublication data, designed to assist with public health activities and research. Earlier that week, they announced that they had isolated and fully sequenced the virus, setting off calls for full release of the details. The post was communicated by Edward Holmes, PhD [2], with the University of Sydney, on behalf of a Chinese group led by Yong-Zhen Zhang, PhD, with Fudan University in Shanghai.

[2] "All, an initial genome sequence of the coronavirus associated with the Wuhan outbreak is now available at http://Virological.org"
➥ https://twitter.com/edwardcholmes/st...176276482?s=20

[1] Novel 2019 coronavirus genome ~ SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus
➥ https://virological.org/t/novel-2019...rus-genome/319

[3] Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 isolate Wuhan-Hu-1, complete genome
➥ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN908947

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by SailOar

More verbal diarrhea from you. It is the least-knowledgeable health care workers who have foolishly dug in their heels and resisted getting vaccinated. Doctors, who are the most highly educated group in the medical profession, have very willingly been vaccinated.

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

Jun 11, 2021
The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated.

The national AMA survey is the first to specifically collect data on practicing physicians’ COVID-19 vaccination rates. The survey was conducted June 3–8 and showed an increase of more than 20 percent for physicians who have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 compared to a May 2021 Medscape poll.

“Practicing physicians across the country are leading by example, with an amazing uptake of the COVID-19 vaccines,” said AMA President Susan R. Bailey, MD. “Physicians and clinicians are uniquely positioned to listen to and validate patient concerns, and one of the most powerful anecdotes a physician can offer is that they themselves have been vaccinated. You can take it from your doctor: the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. With COVID-19 vaccines readily available and approved for all people 12 years old and up, we urge you to get vaccinated—take the single most important step you can to protect yourself, your family, and end the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Furthermore, doctors are getting fed up with idiots like you who willingly and intentionally put both the medical community and society at large at grave risk of illness and death because of your absurd arguments that black is white, and up is down.

75 Florida doctors stage symbolic walkout in protest of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients

Dozens of South Florida doctors staged a ceremonial walkout on Monday to protest the number of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients flooding their hospital in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida.

Just before sunrise, about 75 doctors stepped outside their hospitals and offices temporarily to stand together and encourage the community to get vaccinated. The doctors were not on duty at the time, gathering either before or after their shifts, according to a spokesperson.

“We are exhausted. Our patience and resources are running low and we need your help,” said Dr. Rupesh Dharia from Palm Beach Internal Medicine.

Now, these doctors are sounding the alarm and pleading for the community to get vaccinated. They said it’s not a political move, but a call for help.

“The vaccine still remains the most effective and reliable way to stop this madness,” said Dr. Leslie Diaz, an infectious disease specialist.

People like you are a menace to society. You are a cancerous mass that needs to be removed and destroyed.

Originally Posted by newhaul

That sounds like a very rude statement at best and a veiled threat at worst.
Even with our wide disputes you have not gone this far . You do in my opinion need to dial it back a few notches.

Wrong. This is a statement of fact, made about a poster who has continually lied outright about many things, all under the the ruse of keeping an "open mind" and 'freedom of speech', two concepts that he has repeatedly demonstrated he knows nothing at all about.

I've been very busy lately, so haven't been able to respond to these latest barrages of BS, but 'I'll be back' Sunday.

Maybe it's time to hold the 'rude police' accountable for their actions as well.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

Wrong, this is a statement of fact, made about a poster who has continually lied outright about many things, all under the the ruse of keeping an "open mind" and 'freedom of speech', two concepts that he has repeatedly demonstrated he knows nothing at all about.

I've been very busy lately, so haven't been able to respond to these latest barrages of BS, but 'I'll be back' Sunday.

Maybe it's time to hold the 'rude police' accountable for their actions as well.

Sorry but as usual we disagree and I am pointing out that we as adults should keep our discord at least close to civil.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Science is a process, no about absolute truths. The garbage is produced en mass in the mass media. It is one big blob.

I'm not accepting any "blame media" arguments from people who deliberately seek out and wallow in absolutely biased and unscientific sources.

Of course the same proteine has the same properties and toxicity, regardless if delivered by an artificial Viris mRNA or by the real virus RNA.

Dangerously wrong.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Sorry but as usual we disagree and I am pointing out that we as adults should keep our discord at least close to civil.

'Civil!?'

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs5UwKqzzV8

We'll let the viewer decide who's SO and who's TU...

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

The vaccines are harming those with existing covid antibodies. Ones that have lasting, durable, immunity, unlike the shot and they are already immune. This is not being recognized. They are firing the front line health workers (who have had covid), for not taking the shot (due, no doubt to what they have seen take place). The real science is being ignored. The doctors who know and treat covid are being ignored.

You have failed to prove all this antivax stuff.

Delta was the predicted result of trying to vaccinate into a pandemic. There were many variants. Delta won. Early multidrug therapy treats it.

Not proven. Delta and most other variants emerged in the unvaccinated.

The long term vaccine adverse events (even the short term ones) are a complete unknown. The present known effects are mostly being hidden and the danger signals (deaths, permanent injuries) are through the roof.

Lies. Where are your numbers?

...killed and permanently disabled thousands.

Lies. Where are your numbers?

This way you are behaving was programmed to you by trusted news initiative. They are the consortium of propaganda that put you in a trance. I trying to present science but you guys still keep posting propaganda!

Your chosen "science" has been weak or wrong.

Your comments are disturbing you are starting to sound like the nazis or gestapo or something. Sorry to bring that out in you. Don't put it on me.

Sure, let's Godwin the thread.

Thousands of doctors and medical workers are speaking out now.
They are still being censored.

Lies. Where are your numbers?

Sorry but that Reuters article was a thinly veiled cover story, one of hundreds that are churned out on a weekly basis, a propaganda mill. I opened every link on that all I got for science contradicted what they said it did and I proved it with my preceding post.

Repeating nonsense is not proof. Just show us the numbers already.

I pretty much tore your fact check to pieces. They are corrupt. They work for Pfizer. They all work together. You are brainwashed. Chill out.

Here it comes... buckle up, folks...

They wanted a pandemic. They were all planning for the next pandemic. They made the virus and patented it along with the cures.

... Payoff! All this nonsense to try to prop up another batsh1tinsane conspiracy delusion. Then you blame the media some more, a little David-Goliath framing...suspicious! Your grasp on reality is suspicious.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

It doesn't fit the actual definition of a pathogen. Semantics.

Seriously?

Most of your "case" is built on distortion or misuse of semantics. The biggest whopper being that it's not a "vaccine" it's "experimental gene therapy". Without your semantic abuse, your weak case absolutely crumbles.

Someone has to host alternative sources. Youtube was controversial before they censored. Don't shoot the messenger is what they say. I don't trust the trusted news initiative so what does that leave.

... daylight! You acknowledge the fact that you can only find the "proof" you want on those fringe "alternate" sites. Stay with me now: notice that the majority of your "alternate" sites have advertising... just like the msm and youtube? When it comes to advertising, a conspiracy nut's eyeballs are just as valuable as anyone else's. More valuable in fact, if you want to sell prepper stuff, or dubious health supplements, or your latest conspiracy book.

Congratulations! You're just another willing sucker, enticed into the machine by shiny "conspiracy" things, and helping transmit that virus by spreading it everywhere you go. More eyeballs for the site!

(have you been following the Facebook whistleblower story this week? It's all about how FB likes controversial and anger-making content, because it drives engagement. Regardless of whether it's true or not.)

Conspiracy media is still media. Except that the content is more questionable, and often dangerous and harmful.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I am pointing out that we as adults should keep our discord at least close to civil.

First, in polite discourse, one should not be bringing up politics or religion (particularly on a sailing site ). That bridge has been crossed and burnt, of course.

To me, there is nothing "civil" about spreading misinformation about climate change or vaccination, or continuous political broadsides against "msm", or any of the other catechisms of the right. And the same applies of course to nonsense from the left too.

And you going full antivax - possibly the most disappointing thing I've read this fall.

There's nothing remotely civil about taking a partisan approach to such serious subjects. ignorance is offensive, no matter how soft the words.

[GordMay]

Welcome to the CruisersForum ...
Where [sometimes] the TRUTH doesn’t matter, and the facts ARE JUST AN OPINION.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

First, in polite discourse, one should not be bringing up politics or religion (particularly on a sailing site ). That bridge has been crossed and burnt, of course.

To me, there is nothing "civil" about spreading misinformation about climate change or vaccination, or continuous political broadsides against "msm", or any of the other catechisms of the right. And the same applies of course to nonsense from the left too.

And you going full antivax - possibly the most disappointing thing I've read this fall.

There's nothing remotely civil about taking a partisan approach to such serious subjects. ignorance is offensive, no matter how soft the words.

Misinformation about mmgwc no I post a different scientific view .
That's how science works .
There is no consensus in real scientific research.

Me full antivaxx? You mean the fact I posted that I personally won't be taking part in the large scale drug trial the planet is currently doing?
Then call me a control group.