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[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Ded reckoner

Studies on increased CO2 concentrations invariably show improved photosynthetic production above today’s 400ppm (0.04 percent) CO2 concentration levels. Some studies show there is an optimum concentration and then there are declines in productivity. But, all show better end results with higher than current concentrations. This link is very good for defining technical terms. This link will interest marijuana growers and is included because the contention is the optimum CO2 concentration is 10000ppm (!). I have a particular fondness for this study out of the Jr Academy of Science. In any case, we need to remember that CO2 emissions are natural. Volcanoes outgas tremendous volumes, organic matter combusts and decays, and aerobic organisms respire.

Lets not forget cow farts.

[geoleo]

I have a friend who is 77 and has never had a job. he has hobbies like raising dogs . He is a 'trust fund baby'. He has had a steady income since he was 16. Would he get UBI too? . He tried a job once at age 50 for a week but couldnt handle it. Should he get UBI? Will UBI cause inflation?

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by geoleo

That is pretty good except add the definition of facism to both socialism and communism as both cannot be enforced without facist dictatorship means which leads to murdering citizens and no freedom. Two words one never hears from leftists are freedom and liberty.

Socialist states exist under representative democracies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Portugal and India are examples. They call themselves socialist, who are you to say otherwise?

Communism at very small scale can and does work quite well as a pure democracy. Some kibbutzim in Israel are examples. My sense is that once they grow much past the point where all members know each other personally then the social pressure keeps any single person from abusing the system becomes too tenuous. My understanding is that there are various tribes in the US and elsewhere that were pretty communistic at a medium scale. Don’t know enough to say for sure how the politics were arranged to maintain social cohesion.

A counter example in the US is that many Protestant churches and small denominations are based on Cult of personality leadership. An example the Newhaul would be aware of was the Mars Hill string of churches.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Hill_Church

Arguably cult of personality leadership is a form of fascism.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Socialist states exist under representative democracies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Portugal and India are examples. They call themselves socialist, who are you to say otherwise?

Communism at very small scale can and does work quite well as a pure democracy. Some kibbutzim in Israel are examples. My sense is that once they grow much past the point where all members know each other personally then the social pressure keeps any single person from abusing the system becomes too tenuous. My understanding is that there are various tribes in the US and elsewhere that were pretty communistic at a medium scale. Don’t know enough to say for sure how the politics were arranged to maintain social cohesion.

A counter example in the US is that many Protestant churches and small denominations are based on Cult of personality leadership. An example the Newhaul would be aware of was the Mars Hill string of churches.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Hill_Church

Arguably cult of personality leadership is a form of fascism.

India combines socialist government with their caste system?? HMMM I thought Modi was running a nationalist Hindu first deal????

[newhaul]

Ok I finally re found the video that explains the ev problems that stand in the way to mass use .

https://youtu.be/pLcqJ2DclEg

Watch and then comments .

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by geoleo

India combines socialist government with their caste system?? HMMM I thought Modi was running a nationalist Hindu first deal????

India has a multi party representative democracy. Doesn't mean that a minority can't be oppressed. Plenty of examples of that in the US.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Socialist states exist under representative democracies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Portugal and India are examples. They call themselves socialist, who are you to say otherwise?

Communism at very small scale can and does work quite well as a pure democracy. Some kibbutzim in Israel are examples. My sense is that once they grow much past the point where all members know each other personally then the social pressure keeps any single person from abusing the system becomes too tenuous. My understanding is that there are various tribes in the US and elsewhere that were pretty communistic at a medium scale. Don’t know enough to say for sure how the politics were arranged to maintain social cohesion.

A counter example in the US is that many Protestant churches and small denominations are based on Cult of personality leadership. An example the Newhaul would be aware of was the Mars Hill string of churches.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Hill_Church

Arguably cult of personality leadership is a form of fascism.

I do recall something about that cult yes however due to events in my life my faith was lost never to be found again . Long before the Mars Hill bit. So I am just remotely familiar

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Socialist states exist under representative democracies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Portugal and India are examples. They call themselves socialist, who are you to say otherwise?

Communism at very small scale can and does work quite well as a pure democracy. Some kibbutzim in Israel are examples. My sense is that once they grow much past the point where all members know each other personally then the social pressure keeps any single person from abusing the system becomes too tenuous. My understanding is that there are various tribes in the US and elsewhere that were pretty communistic at a medium scale. Don’t know enough to say for sure how the politics were arranged to maintain social cohesion.

A counter example in the US is that many Protestant churches and small denominations are based on Cult of personality leadership. An example the Newhaul would be aware of was the Mars Hill string of churches.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Hill_Church

Arguably cult of personality leadership is a form of fascism.

Wikipedia says that India ditched Socialism in the 1970 s because of increasing poverty.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I do recall something about that cult yes however due to events in my life my faith was lost never to be found again . Long before the Mars Hill bit.

I was not meaning to bring up your religion, just brought it up as an example somebody in this thread would be familiar with.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

I was not meaning to bring up your religion, just brought it up as an example somebody in this thread would be familiar with.

I realise and I was just saying I was remotely familiar with the cult you mentioned .
I am a really relaxed person
I live on a sailboat so you know nothing is a bad day

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Wikipedia says that India ditched Socialism in the 1970 s because of increasing poverty.

And yet Wikipedia also lists it as a current, non-marxist/leninst socialist country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Plenty of countries across Europe consider themselves to be rather socialist even if they are capitalist.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by geoleo

I have a friend who is 77 and has never had a job. he has hobbies like raising dogs . He is a 'trust fund baby'. He has had a steady income since he was 16. Would he get UBI too?

Yes. And he'd be taxed on the total (UBI + trust fund), which would effectively claw it back and then some. The situation of high earners wouldn't change; UBI makes very little difference to the after-tax income of someone with a trust fund, living off of investments, or earning a higher wage/salary.

You'd know this already if you actually read something about it.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I do recall something about that cult yes however due to events in my life my faith was lost never to be found again . Long before the Mars Hill bit. So I am just remotely familiar

HMMMMMMM seems like it was all about sex and money and the Priests eating the "best cuts of the meat. "

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Ok I finally re found the video that explains the ev problems that stand in the way to mass use .

https://youtu.be/pLcqJ2DclEg

Watch and then comments .

So, the take away is that the US is once again "exceptional" in its somewhat poor rollout of EV infrastructure. So the solution they suggest seems to be more EV government support (incentives) to get the charging infrastructure in place.

OK .

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Did you actually watch the whole video ?
What's the ev issue in russia?

Yes. I just did. The major comparison is the US to Europe. Russia and Oz are mentioned in passing, with tiny detail provided.

Did you watch?


I thought it was quite good BTW.