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[newhaul]

Originally Posted by geoleo

OK - where are volcanos erupting where Ice has left -tell us where. Plus the oceans have now risen from the dispersed water from the melted ice sheets so the oceans are heavier everywhere and are now keeping the volcanos from erupting from the heavier weight of the pressure. LOLOL

Iceland .
And the loss of ice in Antarctica due to volcanic activity under a mile or more of sheet ice .
Subglacial Volcanoes

Not man's doing

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Tell us the CO2 output total of both the USA and China . My rough math says China is double the USA .

More than double the co2 so2 nox and methane

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

If you can't acknowledge that you produce twice as much pollution as someone in China, AND that much of that Chinese pollution was created as they manufacture absurdly inexpensive stuff so that you can post nonsense on the Internets... you're a hypocrite.

Get Al Gore and John Kerry and Bill gates to admit it they are the huge hypocrites not me you name caller.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

The per capita is a poor metric to go by perhaps the actual numbers are a lot better

"Countries" are just arbitrary collections of people. Should the US pollute more than Monaco?

Anyone who eats more than twice as much as someone else has no business telling that person to eat even less.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Iceland .
And the loss of ice in Antarctica due to volcanic activity under a mile or more of sheet ice .
Subglacial Volcanoes

Not man's doing

So in Antartica there are lots of volcanos erupting under a mile thick ice cap?? Then the heat from the erupting volcanos melts the rest of the ice and the oceans rise more??? Is this it ?? Pretty scary isnt it.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by geoleo

So in Antartica there are lots of volcanos erupting under a mile thick ice cap?? Then the heat from the erupting volcanos melts the rest of the ice and the oceans rise more??? Is this it ?? Pretty scary isnt it.

Actually Antarctica is a net 0 as to sea levels.
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4669

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

Not to mention sea ice above normal already this year.
https://data.meereisportal.de/maps/l...xtent_s_en.png

And this
https://www.meereisportal.de/en/arch...argely-normal/

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

"Countries" are just arbitrary collections of people. Should the US pollute more than Monaco?

Anyone who eats more than twice as much as someone else has no business telling that person to eat even less.

Countries are arbitrary collections of people??? I thought countries were defined as 'a group of people who have a monopoly of using force on a specified area of land on the planet earth. That is if countries are nation states. Just who did all the arbiting in your definition?? perhaps it was or is the people living there? Or God -or witches or ... or lol

[newhaul]

This is an interesting article
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...DER-other.html

Which shows where a lot of the oceanic heat is actually coming from

[geoleo]

There is an OP on here defining "eating rights" for the world. What up with that?? From under Ice cap volcanos to "Eating Rights" in one fell swoop. Does anyone here have any extra of what they are using . i could use some . i will pay shipping.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by geoleo

There is an OP on here defining "eating rights" for the world. What up with that?? From under Ice cap volcanos to "Eating Rights" in one fell swoop. Does anyone here have any extra of what they are using . i could use some . i will pay shipping.

We know who's on drugs here. Or maybe should be.

Answer the question: Should the US pollute more than Monaco? or Cuba?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

We know who's on drugs here. Or maybe should be.

Answer the question: Should the US pollute more than Monaco? or Cuba?

Cuba 2.4 per person Monaco 5 per person USA 16.3 per person and just for comparison Gibraltar is at 19.6 tons per person

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ons_per_capita
Also in my opinion. China is way under reporting.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Also in my opinion. China is way under reporting.

Yes, that happens...

We might soon move past self-reporting.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

"Countries" are just arbitrary collections of people. Should the US pollute more than Monaco?

Anyone who eats more than twice as much as someone else has no business telling that person to eat even less.

Who elected you to define who has any business doing anything. Are you some glutten fatso? Many debate rules say that the first debater that says "should" loses. Is your mind a simple collection of "shoulds"? lol

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Yes, that happens...

We might soon move past self-reporting.[2015]

Observing carbon dioxide emissions over China's cities and industrial areas with the Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2
[2020]

Abstract

In order to track progress towards the global climate targets, the parties that signed the Paris Climate Agreement will regularly report their anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions based on energy statistics and CO2 emission factors. Independent evaluation of this self-reporting system is a fast-growing research topic. Here, we study the value of satellite observations of the column CO2 concentrations to estimate CO2 anthropogenic emissions with 5 years of the Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 (OCO-2) retrievals over and around China. With the detailed information of emission source locations and the local wind, we successfully observe CO2 plumes from 46 cities and industrial regions over China and quantify their CO2 emissions from the OCO-2 observations, which add up to a total of 1.3 Gt CO2 yr−1 that accounts for approximately 13 % of mainland China's annual emissions. The number of cities whose emissions are constrained by OCO-2 here is 3 to 10 times larger than in previous studies that only focused on large cities and power plants in different locations around the world. Our satellite-based emission estimates are broadly consistent with the independent values from China's detailed emission inventory MEIC but are more different from those of two widely used global gridded emission datasets (i.e., EDGAR and ODIAC), especially for the emission estimates for the individual cities. These results demonstrate some skill in the satellite-based emission quantification for isolated source clusters with the OCO-2, despite the sparse sampling of this instrument not designed for this purpose. This skill can be improved by future satellite missions that will have a denser spatial sampling of surface emitting areas, which will come soon in the early 2020s.

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by geoleo

So in Antartica there are lots of volcanos erupting under a mile thick ice cap?? Then the heat from the erupting volcanos melts the rest of the ice and the oceans rise more??? Is this it ?? Pretty scary isnt it.

This is a Nothing-Burger. As the article stated, volcanism has been a part Antarctic history for millions of years. There is no indication from the article that volcanism is driving the global climate changes we have been seeing for the past ~200 years.