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[SailOar]

Originally Posted by geoleo

"THEY" reccommend spending $100 million of your money (at least) on "THEM" to study this crap. I wonder why. Could it be they want YOUR MONEY??? oh no --they just want to help YOU! lolololol

$100 million is peanuts relative to the US budget, and peanuts compared to what uncontrolled climate change will cost us.

Cost of a B1B Lancer bomber: $200-plus million

Cost of a Virginia-class nuclear submarine: $2.8 billion per unit $3.4 billion per unit

Cost of a nuclear power plant: $6 billion and $9 billion for each 1,100 MW plant

It will cost each US citizen a prorated amount of $0.33.

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by newhaul

And we are cooling .
Roy Spencer, PhD
.1°C below median average

Spencer did not say ".1°C below median average." You said that.

From the Roy Spencer page:

"The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.14 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land)."

Another of your Nothing-Burgers.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by geoleo

"THEY" reccommend spending $100 million of your money (at least) on "THEM" to study this crap. I wonder why. Could it be they want YOUR MONEY??? oh no --they just want to help YOU! lolololol

You mean 100 billion
But the MMGWC is a multi trillion dollar a year business. https://www.cfact.org/2015/08/22/cli...lion-industry/
And that was in 2015 dollars.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by SailOar

Spencer did not say ".1°C below median average." You said that.

From the Roy Spencer page:

"The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.14 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land)."

Another of your Nothing-Burgers.

The average over a decade has come down 5 years ago it was .21°C a decade now its .18°C so something has obviously changed.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

The average over a decade has come down 5 years ago it was .21°C a decade now its .18°C so something has obviously changed.

A raise in temperature is still a raise in temperature. Such a teeny "change" in the rate of heat increase observed over 5 years isn't predictive, when you consider all the cyclical changes imposed on the overall rate of increase, and the overall timeframe. The important point is that without the input from AGW, we would indeed be cooling. But we're not.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by newhaul

You mean 100 billion
But the MMGWC is a multi trillion dollar a year business. https://www.cfact.org/2015/08/22/cli...lion-industry/
And that was in 2015 dollars.

There you have it.
Newhaul's true underlying objection.

The climate change challenge, before us, is not scientific or technical; it’s political, economic, and psychological.

The climate debate is, no longer, about carbon dioxide, and temperature-change models. It’s about biases, values, and ideology. It’s about the way that social, and psychological, filters lead us to practice motivated reasoning. Scientists will not have the final word in the public debate, on this issue. Instead, people will continue to take positions that are consistent with their pre-existing values.

Climate skeptics [naysayers, deniers] tend to be white, male, religious and, and they are given to conspiratorial thinking [1]. They dismiss evidence of climate change, and not because they are uneducated. Paradoxically, those who understand what scientists think about climate change, are actually more likely to deny climate science. [2]

What conservatives most object to, is not the science, but the solutions.

If they acknowledge the need to place limits on industry, then they must also acknowledge the failure of the free market, to ensure a just and orderly world.
Reluctant to support more regulation, and more government spending, they dismiss the facts of climate change, with post hoc rationalisations. [3].



[1] “Climate Change Conspiracy Theories” ~ by Joseph E. Uscinski et al
➥ https://oxfordre.com/climatescience/...90228620-e-328

[2] “Cool dudes: The denial of climate change among conservative white males in the United States” ~ by Aaron M. McCrighta, & Riley E. Dunlap
➥ http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/st...right_2011.pdf

[3] “Solution Aversion: On the Relation Between Ideology and Motivated Disbelief” ~ by Troy H. Campbell & Aaron C. Kay
➥ https://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspac...20Aversion.pdf

Much of our avoidance of climate change is also psychological, and cultural.

Psychological 'PAIN':

Personal - We respond to threats from other people. Climate change doesn't have a face. There is no one person to blame.

Abrupt - We are sensitive to abrupt changes, like a fire starting in the kitchen. Climate change is happening too slowly to detect visually.

Immoral - We pay attention when we see something indecent or disgusting. Climate change does not excite these feelings.

Now - We respond to immediate threats, like someone trying to rob our home. For many people, it's not clear how climate change is impacting them right now.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

A raise in temperature is still a raise in temperature. Such a teeny "change" in the rate of heat increase observed over 5 years isn't predictive, when you consider all the cyclical changes imposed on the overall rate of increase, and the overall timeframe. The important point is that without the input from AGW, we would indeed be cooling. But we're not.

Except we are cooling and just wait till the big vei6 or vei7 happens and we are again a year without a summer.

If we were not cooling the rate of increase would be going up on the decades not going down.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

If we were not cooling the rate of increase would be going up on the decades not going down.

Your short 5 year interval and the tininess of the observed change both make that one observation insignificant. Let's look again in 5 years, shall we?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Your short 5 year interval and the tininess of the observed change both make that one observation insignificant. Let's look again in 5 years, shall we?

Ding ding give this guy a prize.

I have been saying just that for 7 years on here . We shall see in a couple years

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Except we are cooling and just wait till the big vei6 or vei7 happens and we are again a year without a summer.

But only for one or two years -- which would be plenty serious, but not enough to make a long-term climate change. For that you would need to pump (or remove) massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. But who, in their right mind, would intentionally do such a dumb thing?

[geoleo]

Im waiting for the next big "reveal" by the leftist socialists. "White Racism caused Corona Pandemic and caused Global Warming too." (Its probably out there anyway.)

[Midnight Son]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Im waiting for the next big "reveal" by the leftist socialists. "White Racism caused Corona Pandemic and caused Global Warming too." (Its probably out there anyway.)

Getting a little sore, in spots, are we.

Best wishes.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Im waiting for the next big "reveal" by the leftist socialists. "White Racism caused Corona Pandemic and caused Global Warming too." (Its probably out there anyway.)

Indeed. It would make a nice change from "pandemic is a hoax","it's no worse than flu" and "soshulist plot to take away r rightz!!".

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by SailOar

But only for one or two years -- which would be plenty serious, but not enough to make a long-term climate change. For that you would need to pump (or remove) massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. But who, in their right mind, would intentionally do such a dumb thing?

What I'm watching is all of the eruptions that are currently happening . Such as the 13 stratospheric blasts from Etna alone they each have averaged 43 or so gigatonnes of Sulphur dioxide injected into the stratosphere .
And there are at least 7 different volcanoes doing the same thing mostly in the tropics which will affect the entire atmosphere when mixed via the wandering Hadley cells we have right now.

I will find it but nasa posted pictures recently of volcanic ash from one of them . Visible over the great lakes .
Here's an article about it for now
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nati...249707118.html

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I will find it but nasa posted pictures recently of volcanic ash from one of them . Visible over the great lakes .

That probably explains the warmar than usual March around here.