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[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Eating fake meat is something like smoking oregano for pot or smoking parmesan cheese for crack cocaine like Hunter Biden does. lol (there is no there there ) as an old leftist said of Oakland California.

Gertrude Stein an "old leftist"? Sorry, she once wrote that Hitler deserved the Nobel Peace prize, she publicly endorsed the fascist dictator of Spain Franco, and was the official translator of the memoirs of the Nazi collaborationist premier of Vichy France, Marshal Petain. In the introduction, she compared Petain to George Washington. She had an odd mixture of political views, but was more fascist than anything else. She hated FDR and Stalin.

You're batting 1.000 for misjudging people's political views.

As to fake meat -- you'll be eating it sooner or later, whether you like it or not. It is getting better and better, and is spreading in popularity like wildfire and will certainly become more common than real meat in our lifetimes, well, at least in my lifetime.

Eventually there will be a tax on real meat, and there will be a financial incentive as well. That's where the future is headed.

[geoleo]

Well thank you . I never knew that Gertrude was a nazi sympathizer while the rest of her tribe was being murdered by them. She was surtely a LGBQXYZER though. She was unique for sure and had some great but baffling expressions. A real trust fund baby. ( used to commute for 2 years through Oakland and found plenty of there there and actually bought my first sailboat there.) A rose is a rose is a...........doesnt really compete with Shakespeare on roses.

[KnightSailor]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Gertrude Stein an "old leftist"? Sorry, she once wrote that Hitler deserved the Nobel Peace prize, she publicly endorsed the fascist dictator of Spain Franco, and was the official translator of the memoirs of the Nazi collaborationist premier of Vichy France, Marshal Petain.

I am unclear on what that comment is supposed to mean. Those are the beliefs endorsed and mimicked by the current Leftists.

Originally Posted by Dockhead

You're batting 1.000 for misjudging people's political views.

An individual’s political views reflect their basal mindset. The political views are a gauge of their world view.

Originally Posted by Dockhead

As to fake meat -- you'll be eating it sooner or later, whether you like it or not. It is getting better and better, and is spreading in popularity like wildfire and will certainly become more common than real meat in our lifetimes, well, at least in my lifetime.

Only if the irrational Liberals have their way.

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Eventually there will be a tax on real meat, and there will be a financial incentive as well. That's where the future is headed.

That is part of the agenda of the Extreme Left to control the everyday lives of everyone under their control, and they fully intend their control to be complete and invulnerable.

[Midnight Son]

Originally Posted by KnightSailor

I am unclear on what that comment is supposed to mean. Those are the beliefs endorsed and mimicked by the current Leftists.

An individual’s political views reflect their basal mindset. The political views are a gauge of their world view.

Only if the irrational Liberals have their way.

That is part of the agenda of the Extreme Left to control the everyday lives of everyone under their control, and they fully intend their control to be complete and invulnerable.

Sorry that position has already been taken by the GOP, we will graciously let them run with it. See how far they get, probably not very.


Have a fun one, I love this.

[KnightSailor]

Originally Posted by Midnight Son

Sorry that position has already been taken by the GOP, we will graciously let them run with it. See how far they get, probably not very.Have a fun one, I love this.

On the contrary, the Republicans were in the process of reducing government control. In fact, that has been one of their main goals, especially during the Trump Adminstration. The goal of Socialism, the hallmark of the Democrats, is to create a nation where the entire productive output of the country is funneled through government bureaucracies, and is then doled out to the citizens, making them dependent upon the government for everything. Presumably it is the all knowing government which decides which citizen gets the amount that is their fair share of the dole.

[44'cruisingcat]

At Sydney's Fort Denison, sea levels appear to be rising, but at the same rate they've done for the past 130 years:

[GordMay]

“There are grounds for concern about solar power" ~ OPINION by Khaled Diab
Solar power and other renewables are the most sustainable forms of energy we possess. However, they are only sustainable if we harness them sustainably.
More ➥ https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...ut-solar-power

“The potential land requirements and related land use change emissions of solar energy”
~ by Dirk Jan van de Ven et al [LOCOMOTION Project]
In this work, the potential solar land requirements and related land use change emissions are computed for the EU, India, Japan and South Korea.
Here ➥ https://www.locomotion-h2020.eu/the-...-solar-energy/

More from LOCOMOTION ➥ https://www.locomotion-h2020.eu/

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by GordMay

“There are grounds for concern about solar power" ~ OPINION by Khaled Diab
Solar power and other renewables are the most sustainable forms of energy we possess. However, they are only sustainable if we harness them sustainably.
More ➥ https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...ut-solar-power

“The potential land requirements and related land use change emissions of solar energy”
~ by Dirk Jan van de Ven et al [LOCOMOTION Project]
In this work, the potential solar land requirements and related land use change emissions are computed for the EU, India, Japan and South Korea.
Here ➥ https://www.locomotion-h2020.eu/the-...-solar-energy/

More from LOCOMOTION ➥ https://www.locomotion-h2020.eu/

All good observations, with suggestions for improvement in siting.

But I don't think that anyone is (yet) saying that solar can or should take precedence over other land uses like agriculture, or that greenspace should be cleared and converted to solar. Rather, solar panels should be located closer to users, on otherwise unused spaces like roofs. The first article shows solar panels sharing space with grazing animals. Solar panels could provide shade to arid or desert areas as part of their reclamation - and then move the panels to the next patch of desert to be reclaimed.

On the micro-scale, our little boat has a portable 16" x 16" solar panel that's sufficient to keep our boat's single group 24 deep-cycle battery topped up for all summer. I have a 6" x 14' solar panel that fits on my rear bike bag that can keep a Li USB recharge pack topped up, for phones and any other USB-charged device. That's two less AC chargers required. Multiply such uses by 10s of millions... it adds up.

[Midnight Son]

Originally Posted by KnightSailor

On the contrary, the Republicans were in the process of reducing government control. In fact, that has been one of their main goals, especially during the Trump Adminstration. The goal of Socialism, the hallmark of the Democrats, is to create a nation where the entire productive output of the country is funneled through government bureaucracies, and is then doled out to the citizens, making them dependent upon the government for everything. Presumably it is the all knowing government which decides which citizen gets the amount that is their fair share of the dole.

I agree with the red emphasized part. But that was to allow them to further demonize the Dem's. Tsun Tsu, at it's finest.
Our western democracies work with compromise, they fail without it. GOP, is a my way or the highway party right now and for the last ~20 years, if not longer.

Surest way to fail and bring the whole system crashing down is to carry on as usual.
Senator John McCain understood this, but the 'Legends in their own minds', thew it all under the bus, so we have the present situation.
I will be long dead by the time this all plays out, but my US family members (all Republican) know the have a safe spot to evacuate to if we have a worst Jan 6 event again.

[Lake-Effect]

at the risk of threadicide...

"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
- P. J. O'Rourke

[KnightSailor]

Originally Posted by GordMay

“There are grounds for concern about solar power" ~ OPINION by Khaled Diab
Solar power and other renewables are the most sustainable forms of energy we possess. However, they are only sustainable if we harness them sustainably.
“The potential land requirements and related land use change emissions of solar energy”
~ by Dirk Jan van de Ven et al [LOCOMOTION Project]
In this work, the potential solar land requirements and related land use change emissions are computed for the EU, India, Japan and South Korea.

Renewable is a misnomer. Solar does not work at night, during rain storms, or snow storms. Solar barely works when covered with dust or ash or on foggy/smoggy days. The cost of the mining and the energy required to make the batteries to run everything when solar is not working is orders of magnitude greater than using natural gas and oil. The further from the equator the location, the less efficient solar is. Also, most vehicles run on fossil fuels, gasoline or diesel. Of the 253 million cars and trucks in the USA, only 1 million are electric, and most of them are hybrid and also use gasoline. That means there are over 252 million vehicles in the USA that require gasoline or diesel to operate.
The reality is that with over one billion gasoline and diesel powered vehicles in the world, the requirement for fossil fuels will continue for a very long time. As long as fossil fueled vehicles are less expensive and more practical than electric, manufacturers will continue to build them. It is impractical to dispose of all those vehicles and replace them, so they will remain on the road as long as they can be repaired.
In addition, there is no practical way to convert passenger aircraft, cargo ships, cruise ships, large construction machinery, away from fossil fuels. It could easily be 200 years before such a transition could be made, but possibly not even then.
Wind turbines are extremely expensive to build and very costly to maintain. They take up a lot of real estate and ruin scenic areas and are extremely dangerous when they suffer catastrophic failures. They also don’t produce any electricity unless the wind is blowing, requiring massive and extremely expensive batteries to store electricity to be used during light or no wind.
Meanwhile, petroleum will be needed to develop the technology and to fuel the transition to alternative energy sources. Nuclear power is the most reasonable power to develop and build.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by KnightSailor

Renewable is a misnomer. Solar does not work at night, during rain storms, or snow storms. Solar barely works when covered with dust or ash or on foggy/smoggy days.

Wait, what? Solar doesn't work at night?? How did I miss that?

The cost of the mining and the energy required to make the batteries to run everything when solar is not working is orders of magnitude greater than using natural gas and oil.

... no, actually it isn't.

Wind turbines are extremely expensive to build and very costly to maintain.

Not really.

Don't look now, but

The IRENA report found that solar and onshore wind are the cheapest energy sources. It states that in 2017 wind turbine prices had an average cost of $0.06 per kWh, and at times dropped to $0.04 per kWh. At the same time, the cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) had fallen to $0.10 per kWh. In comparison, electricity produced by fossil fuels typically ran from $0.05 to $0.17 per kWh. This same report predicts that within the next few years, solar and wind will be able to furnish electricity for as little as $0.03 per kWh.

source

Ready or not, they're coming...

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by KnightSailor

On the contrary, the Republicans were in the process of reducing government control. In fact, that has been one of their main goals, especially during the Trump Adminstration. The goal of Socialism, the hallmark of the Democrats, is to create a nation where the entire productive output of the country is funneled through government bureaucracies, and is then doled out to the citizens, making them dependent upon the government for everything. Presumably it is the all knowing government which decides which citizen gets the amount that is their fair share of the dole.

I ,at least, am with you all the way.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by KnightSailor

On the contrary, the Republicans were in the process of reducing government control. In fact, that has been one of their main goals, especially during the Trump Adminstration. The goal of Socialism, the hallmark of the Democrats, is to create a nation where the entire productive output of the country is funneled through government bureaucracies, and is then doled out to the citizens, making them dependent upon the government for everything. Presumably it is the all knowing government which decides which citizen gets the amount that is their fair share of the dole.

You know it Sir, and describe it very well.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Wait, what? Solar doesn't work at night?? How did I miss that?
... no, actually it isn't.

Not really.

Don't look now, but

The IRENA report found that solar and onshore wind are the cheapest energy sources. It states that in 2017 wind turbine prices had an average cost of $0.06 per kWh, and at times dropped to $0.04 per kWh. At the same time, the cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) had fallen to $0.10 per kWh. In comparison, electricity produced by fossil fuels typically ran from $0.05 to $0.17 per kWh. This same report predicts that within the next few years, solar and wind will be able to furnish electricity for as little as $0.03 per kWh.

source

Ready or not, they're coming...

I dont want any nasty windmills near me screwing up the landscape-put them next to Kerrys sailboat on nantucket