What It Takes to Be in the 1% Around the World

[AKA-None]

noblesse oblige
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[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Yes, that's why it's clear YOU really need to read this book.

Add: and SB it seems.

So would you say it's changed the way you think? It certainly hasn't changed the way you post.

So what you're saying is that you were just right all along...

And if it didn't change you, why do you think it would change anyone else?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

noblesse oblige
Look it up

La richess, n'est pas le meme chose que noblesse, oui?

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

So would you say it's changed the way you think? It certainly hasn't changed the way you post.

So what you're saying is that you were just right all along...

And if it didn't change you, why do you think it would change anyone else?

It's helped me understand why it's so hard for people like you to be willing to challenge their own beliefs. Thanks for reinforcing this lesson, over and over.

Instead of being so afraid, why not actually try and learn something?

[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

noblesse oblige
Look it up

I think there is some obligation with wealth.

Some recognize it, and handle it better than others.

[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

It's helped me understand why it's so hard for people like you to be willing to challenge their own beliefs. Thanks for reinforcing this lesson, over and over.

Instead of being so afraid, why not actually try and learn something?

I'm always trying to learn something. And I'm not afraid.

We should all have better things to do than to try and diminish other people on an internet forum.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

I feel an obligation to point out if someone is making an unsupported assumption, and calling it fact. Or trying to use insults to prove their point.

Internet squabbling is supposed to be edifying. Or at least fun. If you feel it's an obligation, you might consider pulling back. I'm speaking as a former addict. See you at the meeting.

[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Internet squabbling is supposed to be edifying. Or at least fun. If you feel it's an obligation, you might consider pulling back. I'm speaking as a former addict. See you at the meeting.

You're not wrong.


Yeah, I'll be at the meeting.

[poiu]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Well...

You pay regardless. It's been clearly demonstrated that things like transit or public education are most effectively and efficiently done as a public undertaking. And you can opt out of either! Buy a car, send your progeny to a private school. Home-school them.

Pure mythology. I'm in a universal single-payer system; I chose my doctor and he's easy to get appointments with; he doesn't have to spend 20% of his time fighting with insurers. I can get second opinions from other doctors. The standard of care is excellent. And it's available to every citizen.

A train is a train. Don't like it? Take the bus. Or drive. Remember private schools?

You are divorced from reality. How is the weather in Galt's Gulch? The US has public education and gov't funded public transit. Is the US a socialist state?
... and this is what I meant earlier. Breathe the word socialist, and some people's brains just freeze up. "All men are created equal"... "one (wo)man, one vote" - these must really get under your skin, no? How dare some unemployed nobody have the same power at the ballot-box as us wealth-creators, amirite?

The point was that most people don't have the money left for alternative options when the state has made you pay for what they choose to provide, so going private is not an option for most. Maybe you are lucky with your state provided health system. Many are awful. I think the German model pretty good. Compulsory insurance and private healthcare. Government incompetence maximally removed. Freedom of choice remains .

All men are created equal in the eyes of God, or All men are equal under the law. Those are words I could support. That all me are created equal is wrong. We are all very unequal physically, in our character, skills and ability. Obviously. Universal suffrage I would also support. It seems you have misjudged me on these two points.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by poiu

The point was that most people don't have the money left for alternative options when the state has made you pay for what they choose to provide, so going private is not an option for most.

So you want the right to choose the manner of your child's education, for example, regardless of your ability to pay for your choice? How is that not welfare, demanding a free lunch?

If I may be serious for a moment, let's look at the two sides of the above, using education as the focus. Two basic possibilities:

1. Everyone can attend public schools; other school options can be paid-for
2. All education is given by private providers who are free to charge what they want. No payment? no education.

I'm assuming you're advocating for option #2?

Here's why #1 is the dominant model globally:

• it's more efficient, compared to a hodgepodge of private for-profit providers
• it's universal; every child can receive a good basic education, regardless of their ability to pay. I hope I don't have to sell you on the benefits of an educated workforce.

If you don't like the public system, because you don't like the quality or the ideology, you have options... but you will pay for your preference. Is it fair for others to pay to promote your beliefs?

The universal public education system is the preference of the majority of voters, and that preference remains. Democracy... not socialism.

[Mike OReilly]

The balance, or tension, between collectivism vs individualism is a constant, and I would say healthy struggle. It's not a question of one approach being all right, and the other being all wrong. All healthy societies find a balance.

That's partly why I was recommending this book, or indeed ANY reading from the vast literature on human behavioural research. We are all -- ALL OF US -- biased and largely illogical. But science is giving us tools to see it in ourselves.

Doing something with this knowledge is, unfortunately, harder .

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by poiu

I think the German [healthcare] model pretty good. Compulsory insurance and private healthcare. Government incompetence maximally removed. Freedom of choice remains

In Canada's universal single-payer healthcare system, there's lots of freedom of choice as I pointed out. Providers like doctors, diagnostic imaging etc - they are almost all independent entities, businesses; they are not government employees. The difference is there's ONE insurer and ONE payer - the government.

The German model (and the French system) besides being excellent, has the two other key ingredients I look for: affordability and universality. In this, the French and German systems are more like Canada's system.

"Government incompetence". Gummint hating is an ideological position and not a pragmatic one. That religious thing I was mentioning.

[sailorboy1]

I bet the 1% don’t spend time on forums.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

I bet the 1% don’t spend time on forums.

They have people for that.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

I bet the 1% don’t spend time on forums.

Ha... there is symmetry in the Universe . This brings the thread back to the first pages where it was noted the level of wealth one needed to be in the 1% club.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3523835

I'm quite sure there are a lot of one-percenters here on this forum. And that's just looking at it from a national perspective. I'm even more confident in saying most of us are one-percenters from a global perspective.