Missing boat out of Mazatlan

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by newhaul

As I said solo I won't carry an epirb my life is my responsibility no need for you to pay for my stupidity. Also if I have other souls on the vessel that I am responsible for then EPIRB yes no doubt. Had one on the spencer always minimum 2 crew.

It’s not an “all about me” world.

Think of the time and money saved by the general public wasted trying to rescue you without knowing precisely where to look.

[Bycrick]

I don’t want you to spend money looking for me if something goes wrong. That’s my choice, just like I had a "Do Not Resuscitate" sticker on my drivers license. The fact that you think you ought to do it is your problem.

[Celestialsailor]

Ya...all that sounds really cool. But I can tell you there is a very large portion of the population when faced with their existence being terminated, that wish it wouldn't happen. I'm being kind with their reaction.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Ya...all that sounds really cool. But I can tell you there is a very large portion of the population when faced with their existence being terminated, that wish it wouldn't happen. I'm being kind with their reaction.

If your solo and fall off the boat an EPIRB is pretty useless.. its on the boat..
Now someone will come back with PLB.. good luck with that.
https://useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

It’s not an “all about me” world.

Think of the time and money saved by the general public wasted trying to rescue you without knowing precisely where to look.

Multiple combat tours and a death certificate. everyone I know knows I am a DNR if I don't make the passage just hold a wake and move on with life .
And yes my wife is OK with my decisions .

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by boatman61

If your solo and fall off the boat an EPIRB is pretty useless.. its on the boat..
Now someone will come back with PLB.. good luck with that.
https://useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html

It's not the reality...its the attitude. Alone or not, when you have a situation that is beyond your control (eg...taking on water from unknown location) The recent whale collision to the KP44 that sank in 15 minutes is a good example of a preferred outcome and because of an EPIRB and other forward thinking solutions.

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Multiple combat tours and a death certificate. everyone I know knows I am a DNR if I don't make the passage just hold a wake and move on with life .
And yes my wife is OK with my decisions .

Unfortunately, the USCG et al isn’t okay with that and will search extensively for you. I know. I did SAR. Get an EPIRB.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

It's not the reality...its the attitude. Alone or not, when you have a situation that is beyond your control (eg...taking on water from unknown location) The recent whale collision to the KP44 that sank in 15 minutes is a good example of a preferred outcome and because of an EPIRB and other forward thinking solutions.

That's what my SPOT is for.. and the spare batteries in the ditch bag.
I use my SPOT often so friends/owners can track me and I have 5 pre loaded messages on it from "Alls good, on track", "Pan, Pan Medico.. Send doctor" to "Mayday, Mayday.. Please forward the link to the RNLI, Salva Vidas and alert them"
An EPIRB is an unknown when you activate it till help arrives.

[hpeer]

IIRC Zeehage stated they DID have a EPIRB.
It may not have worked.
Hopefully we will find out.

I have seen searches called off only for the person to then later be found. And recently there was the fellow who floated from St Martin to Columbia in 28 days with ketchup and sardines or some such and survived.

Frankly we have
EPIRB
IRIDIUM
AIS
PLB in each vest
AIS in each vest
HF
Electronic flares
Traditional flares

And a Lost At Sea letter directing my kids to come to Cruisers Forum for help if the necessity arrives.

I am retired and loving life, I like my ride, I want to keep it.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

Unfortunately, the USCG et al isn’t okay with that and will search extensively for you. I know. I did SAR. Get an EPIRB.

Wrong they will not look for me considering nobody will call them to begin with.
I did Sar myself for many years . That others may live .
Also my wife was a USCG rescue swimmer back 3 decades ago.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by newhaul

... I did Sar myself for many years . That others may live .
Also my wife was a USCG rescue swimmer back 3 decades ago.

Sara Faulkner (AST1 Ret) is your wife?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Sara Faulkner (AST1 Ret) is your wife?

No she did not do a career . Our oldest was born at the end of this month in 1990 and she is a very special needs child . She is 7 to 10 years old most days

[PUDDLE JUMPER II]

Still shocked nothing or no one showed up...

Still hoping for the best for these salty sailors...

[Bowdrie]

This is but one of several vids.
This one features Bob Perry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1yxgrAknI

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by category4jay

Possible scenarios of what has happened. Easy guys its just some scenarios. Dont filet me.
1 Ship was boarded and siezed by Mexican military/navy under the direction of Cartels. Crew murdered.
2 Complete and total electrical/rigging failure due to storm and lightning. Crew alive but vessel is "dead in the water."
3 Third sailor crew Bill Gross seized the boat (sorry but it is a possibility). This happens more often you might think. Captain and wife likely murdered and Gross and the vessel is heading to the South Pacific.
4 Whale sunk the boat in a fraction of a second giving crew little or no time to radio Mayday. Crew either abandoned ship in a liferaft and are floating or all hands perished when the boat sank.
5 Cargo container took 'em out and their "lack of technology" prevented emergency response.Crew likely in a life raft.

yep, it's entirely possible for a boat to sink so fast no time is available as well as other things.