US couple buying catamaran in Turkey and traveling around with our dog

[Montanan]

There is an inherent conflict in that the EU Pet Passport does not provide for reentry once the pet has travelled outside the EU, yet the Schengen visa will limit you to a cumulative of 90 days in any rolling 180 day period so you will find it necessary to depart and return and any travel outside results in dealing with the Pet SNAFU.

Someone mentioned the issue of inadvertently establishing tax residency if one utilizes a long stay visa. Taxation is an entirely additional and noteworthy issue.

[Anders]

Lots of Google nonsense in this thread. If I was the OP I would look for answers elsewhere...

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Montanan

There is an inherent conflict in that the EU Pet Passport does not provide for reentry once the pet has travelled outside the EU, yet the Schengen visa will limit you to a cumulative of 90 days in any rolling 180 day period so you will find it necessary to depart and return and any travel outside results in dealing with the Pet SNAFU.



Someone mentioned the issue of inadvertently establishing tax residency if one utilizes a long stay visa. Taxation is an entirely additional and noteworthy issue.

Yes the Pet passport is an internal approval system based on EU countries mutual recognition of its vet system and the fact that no country in the EU is classed as high rabies risk.

This recognition does not extend agencies outside the EU.

Turkey is a high rabies risk country.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Anders

Lots of Google nonsense in this thread. If I was the OP I would look for answers elsewhere...

Really could you point out the nonsense rather then pontificating from your armchair. I went through the whole process with an American moving from USA to Spain to Greece with a dog, about 2 months ago. It’s a huge ball of hassle.

There are multiple issues

ISO microchipping is required
Animal health certification is required , specific to each country except within the EU
Rabies vaccine is required in most cases , tapeworm prevention is required in dogs in some cases

Rabies titer tests are required when coming from a designated high risk country. This has a 3 month delay minimum.

Overlay that with Schengen And designated ports of entry and you have lots fun and games.

Nothing to do with Google

[Claudine]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Really could you point out the nonsense rather then pontificating from your armchair. I went through the whole process with an American moving from USA to Spain to Greece with a dog, about 2 months ago. It’s a huge ball of hassle.

There are multiple issues

ISO microchipping is required
Animal health certification is required , specific to each country except within the EU
Rabies vaccine is required in most cases , tapeworm prevention is required in dogs in some cases

Rabies titer tests are required when coming from a designated high risk country. This has a 3 month delay minimum.

Overlay that with Schengen And designated ports of entry and you have lots fun and games.

Nothing to do with Google

Would this all become much easier if we were to find someone in Rhodes to keep her (our dog) for us while we complete the sale transaction of the boat and then pick her up on our way out of Turkey? We wanted to stay in Turkey and sightsee for a few months, but if we can't bring our dog, then we could leave her in Rhodes with someone and leave Turkey right away. I don't know anything about Rhodes. I just see if it very close to where we are picking up the boat.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Really could you point out the nonsense rather then pontificating from your armchair. I went through the whole process with an American moving from USA to Spain to Greece with a dog, about 2 months ago. It’s a huge ball of hassle.

There are multiple issues

ISO microchipping is required
Animal health certification is required , specific to each country except within the EU
Rabies vaccine is required in most cases , tapeworm prevention is required in dogs in some cases

Rabies titer tests are required when coming from a designated high risk country. This has a 3 month delay minimum.

Overlay that with Schengen Nd designated ports of entry and you have lots fun and games.

Nothing to do with Google

The things we do for our pets. I have travelled with cats to and from the UK and the USA. Six month quarantine, very hard on kitties.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Claudine

Would this all become much easier if we were to find someone in Rhodes to keep her (our dog) for us while we complete the sale transaction of the boat and then pick her up on our way out of Turkey? We wanted to stay in Turkey and sightsee for a few months, but if we can't bring our dog, then we could leave her in Rhodes with someone and leave Turkey right away. I don't know anything about Rhodes. I just see if it very close to where we are picking up the boat.

Yes. Keeping the animals within the EU means the pet passport you get in France is all you need.

You then merely have to sort out the entry from US to France and getting the EU pet passport there.

However your “ year in the med” will force you out of the EU , so the issue with the export and importation of the animals will arise again possibly several times.

Again bear in mind

“Also, be aware that you must enter an EU Member State at an approved border inspection port.”

That means one approved to do animal importation ( ie has on site veterinarian services ) these are often not yacht friendly places at all,

[Claudine]

Originally Posted by Montanan

The things we do for our pets. I have travelled with cats to and from the UK and the USA. Six month quarantine, very hard on kitties.

Can you elaborate on the 6 month quarantine please? Where, when and how... and why... and is that just a UK thing? We don't plan to sail to the UK and if we visit, we'd fly in for a short vacation and leave the boat behind wherever we are at that time... and we'd get a dog sitter for a few days while we are in the UK, if need be.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Really could you point out the nonsense rather then pontificating from your armchair. I went through the whole process with an American moving from USA to Spain to Greece with a dog, about 2 months ago. It’s a huge ball of hassle.

There are multiple issues

ISO microchipping is required
Animal health certification is required , specific to each country except within the EU
Rabies vaccine is required in most cases , tapeworm prevention is required in dogs in some cases

Rabies titer tests are required when coming from a designated high risk country. This has a 3 month delay minimum.

Overlay that with Schengen And designated ports of entry and you have lots fun and games.

Nothing to do with Google

We travel with a dog. No armchair. Part of your post is correct. Some is not. There's even more nonsense in other posts. If I was the OP I would look for answers elsewhere.

[Montanan]

Devil is in the details - as to entry to the EU:

Turkey is an entirely different protocol and because of its high risk country status for various diseases add considerable more complexities. Recommend avoiding Turkey with your pet's travel.

Step One:
Dogs, cats, and ferrets must be individually identified by an ISO compliant (11784 and 11785) microchip.
ISO compliant microchips are 15 digits long. The pet’s microchip ISO compatibility can be confirmed with the microchip manufacturer.
If the pet does not have an ISO compliant microchip:
The pet will need to travel with a microchip reader that can read the microchip OR contact the Veterinary Officials at the intended port of arrival to verify that they have a reader capable of reading the pet’s microchip.
OR
If a non-ISO compatible microchip was previously implanted and can still be read, then the Veterinarian can implant an ISO-compatible microchip in addition to the non-ISO one the pet currently has.
The number and the date of implantation of both microchips must be documented on the EU Health Certificate.
• When recording the “Date of implantation and/or reading [dd/mm/yyyy]” of the microchip/transponder on the health certificate, IT MUST BE ON OR BEFORE THE DATE OF THE PRIMARY RABIES VACCINATION.


STEP 2: Rabies vaccination
If the pet is less than 15 weeks old and has not been vaccinated for rabies more than 21 days before entry into the EU, this Member State DOES NOT ALLOW entry of the pet.

Click here to check which EU Member States accept pets under 15 weeks of age. https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/pet...er-16-weeks-eu

For pets at least 15 weeks old and vaccinated for rabies more than 21 days before entry into the EU:

Rabies vaccination must occur the same day as or AFTER microchip implantation. The rabies vaccination may be administered the same day as microchip implantation, but any rabies vaccination before a microchip is implanted is invalid.
If the pet had a non-ISO compatible microchip implanted at the same time as or before the pet’s most recent vaccination and it is still readable, the pet will not have to be revaccinated even if it had to be re-microchipped with an ISO compliant microchip to travel to the EU.
Remember, the number and implantation dates of both microchips must be documented on the EU Health Certificate and at least one of these microchips must have been implanted before the pet’s most recent rabies vaccine.
Rabies vaccinations valid for 1, 2 or 3 years are acceptable as long as the rabies vaccination is current and has been administered according to the manufacturer’s recommendations.
The rabies vaccination must not expire before entering the EU.
A copy of the rabies vaccination certificate should accompany the pet to the EU.

STEP 3: 21-day waiting period (after primary vaccination)
After a primary rabies vaccination, the pet must wait 21 days before it is eligible to enter the EU.
A rabies vaccination is considered a primary vaccination by the EU when:
It is the first vaccination given after microchip implantation (this vaccination can be administered on the same day or any time after microchip implantation).
OR
The previous rabies vaccination was expired when the latest vaccination was given.
If a rabies vaccination given after microchip implantation expires before another rabies vaccination can be given, the pet must wait 21 days after the new rabies vaccination before being eligible to enter the EU, as the new vaccination is now considered a primary vaccination. If there has not been a lapse in the rabies vaccination of the pet, the pet does not have to wait 21 days to travel to the EU after the booster vaccination.
If the pet is more than 15 weeks old and the most recent rabies vaccine is a primary rabies vaccine, the pet must wait 21 days after the date of that primary rabies vaccine before it can enter the EU.

NOTE: If the pet is less than 15 weeks old and has not been vaccinated for rabies more than 21 days before entry into the EU, see Step 2 to determine if the pet is eligible to enter the EU by checking which Member States allow these pets.



STEP 4: Have a USDA Accredited Veterinarian or Military Veterinarian* issue (complete and sign) the EU Health Certificate
The EU has two different health certificates for pets. The health certificate used will depend on the number of animals traveling, whether or not the pet is traveling within 5 days before or after the owner or designated person**, and whether the pet will change ownership or is intended for resale in the EU.

The “non-commercial” health certificate is:
For 5 or less pets traveling to the EU within 5 days of the owner or designated person**.
OR
For 6 or more privately owned pets that are more than 6 months old and traveling in a group to the EU to participate in competitions, exhibitions, sporting events, or in training for events, within 5 days of the owner or designated person**.
Valid for 30 days after the USDA Accredited Veterinarian completes and signs it. However, the completed health certificate must be endorsed (counter-signed and embossed/stamped) by APHIS within 10 days of arriving in the EU.
APHIS endorsement is not required if the health certificate is issued by a military veterinarian, but the military veterinarian must issue it within 10 days of arrival in the EU*.
The final page of the EU Health Certificate contains a Declaration which must be completed and signed by the owner or designated person** before the pet travels to the EU. The Declaration must accompany the pet and health certificate to the EU.
Once the health certificate is endorsed by APHIS, the owner or designated person** must enter the APHIS-assigned certificate number in the “Animal health certificate number” section of the Declaration. See the instructions for completing the non-commercial health certificate on the Health Certificate page.
ALERT: This health certificate is NOT for pets traveling to the EU more than 5 days before or after the owner or designated person**, or changing ownership or are intended for resale in the EU. This type of movement falls under the “commercial” health certificate below.

The “commercial” health certificate is:
For pets (any number) who are traveling more than 5 days before or after the owner or designated person**.
OR
For 6 or more privately owned pets traveling at the same time (even if their owner or designated person** is traveling to the EU at the same time or within 5 days before or after the pet).
OR
For pet animals changing ownership or intended for resale when arriving in the EU.
Valid for 48 hours after the USDA Accredited Veterinarian issues (completes and signs) it. The health certificate must be issued by the USDA Accredited Veterinarian and endorsed (counter-signed and embossed/stamped) by APHIS within 48 hours of departing the U.S.
APHIS endorsement is not required if the health certificate is issued by a military veterinarian*.
*A Military Veterinarian is defined as a Veterinary Corps Officer or civilian GS-0701 series government veterinarian employed by the U.S. Army Veterinary Service working at military treatment facilities. It does not apply to Army Veterinary Service non-appropriated fund or Department of Defense civilian contract veterinarians.

**Designated person: a family member, friend, or other person authorized by the owner to travel with the pet.



STEP 5: Have APHIS endorse (counter-sign and emboss/seal) the EU Health Certificate
After the pet’s USDA Accredited Veterinarian has completed and signed the EU Health Certificate, have the pet’s completed health certificate endorsed by your USDA APHIS Veterinary Services Endorsement Office. For “non-commercial” health certificates, this endorsement must occur within 10 days of your pet’s arrival in the EU. For “commercial” health certificates, this endorsement can happen any time after the USDA Accredited Veterinarian signs the certificate.
Your local USDA APHIS Veterinary Services Endorsement Office will be able to provide specific information about the process and fees associated with endorsement of the EU Health Certificate.
You can also find more information about Endorsement Fees here.
*A Military Veterinarian is defined as a Veterinary Corps Officer or civilian GS-0701 series government veterinarian employed by the U.S. Army Veterinary Service working at military treatment facilities. It does not apply to Army Veterinary Service non-appropriated fund or Department of Defense civilian contract veterinarians.



NOTICE The EU health certificate is valid for travel within the EU for only up to 4 months from the date it is issued by the USDA Accredited Veterinarian as long as the rabies vaccine documented on it does not expire.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Anders

We travel with a dog. No armchair. Part of your post is correct. Some is not. There's even more nonsense in other posts. If I was the OP I would look for answers elsewhere.

Given I went through this recently could you point out what I said that was wrong. Nothing is worse then saying something is wrong and not elaborating.

Note I know some people who flout the rules. Let’s leave that out.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Claudine

Can you elaborate on the 6 month quarantine please? Where, when and how... and why... and is that just a UK thing? We don't plan to sail to the UK and if we visit, we'd fly in for a short vacation and leave the boat behind wherever we are at that time... and we'd get a dog sitter for a few days while we are in the UK, if need be.

There is no quarantine for pets entering the U.K. unless (a) you don’t follow the U.K. rules or (b) your animal is judged to be Ill

The current quarantine period in the U.K. if you don’t follow the above is 4 months

The U.K. historically had a 6 month quarantine on pets arriving , this was changed to be harmonised with the rest of the EU in 2012 , ie rabies vaccine , health declaration and arrival at a designated port of entry ( except from Ireland )

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Claudine

Can you elaborate on the 6 month quarantine please? Where, when and how... and why... and is that just a UK thing? We don't plan to sail to the UK and if we visit, we'd fly in for a short vacation and leave the boat behind wherever we are at that time... and we'd get a dog sitter for a few days while we are in the UK, if need be.

As of 2011, the rules have been eased based on effectiveness of current vaccines.

Dogs entering the UK had been subject to the six month quarantine since 1897. Cats were added in 1928, and ferrets in 2004.

Current rules:

https://www.gov.uk/bring-pet-to-great-britain

Overview
These rules apply to Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland). There are different rules on pet travel into Northern Ireland.

You do not need to put your pet cat, dog or ferret in rabies quarantine when it enters England, Scotland or Wales if one of the following applies:

it’s travelling within the UK
it’s travelling between the UK and the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man
it meets the pet travel rules
You do not have to put your pet rabbit or rodent in quarantine if it travels from an EU country and it’s been living there for at least 4 months.

You can enter or return to Great Britain with your pet cat, dog or ferret if it:

has been microchipped
has a pet passport or health certificate
has been vaccinated against rabies - it will also need a blood test if you’re travelling from an country that is not ‘listed’
Dogs must also usually have a tapeworm treatment.

Your pet may be put into quarantine for up to 4 months if you do not follow these rules - or refused entry if you travelled by sea. You’re responsible for any fees or charges.



https://www.gov.uk/taking-your-pet-abroad

When travelling with your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad, what you need to do will depend on what country you’re going to.

There are different rules for travelling with your pet to an EU country or Northern Ireland and for taking your pet to a non-EU country.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Given I went through this recently could you point out what I said that was wrong. Nothing is worse then saying something is wrong and not elaborating.

Note I know some people who flout the rules. Let’s leave that out.

The op is receiving good advice here.

[Montanan]

If your pet travels to a high risk country then the procedure for return to the USA is changed.

Federal Register Notices:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/put-your...-of-quarantine

Extension of quarantine. https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...ed-states-from



https://www.cdc.gov/importation/brin....html#option-b
The rules for bringing your dog into the United States depend on where the dog has been in the past 6 months.

All dogs must appear healthy upon arrival. Dogs that arrive sick or injured will be required to undergo veterinary examination and testing at the importer’s expense to rule out diseases that can spread to people.

Documents Required in English
Written statements and any documents must be in English or have a certified English translation. A certified translation is a signed statement on professional letterhead issued by a licensed translator declaring that the translation is an accurate and true representation of the original document. The translation must include the name, address, and contact information of the translator and have a signatory stamp or elevated seal with the translator’s license number included. A certified translation service provider can be found online.



Dogs from High-Risk Countries for Dog Rabies
Starting on June 10, 2022, options for bringing dogs from a high-risk country for rabies in the past 6 months [E.g., Turkey] will depend on where the dogs’ rabies vaccinations were administered, and the number of dogs being imported. All dogs from high-risk countries must:

Be at least 6 months old.
Have a valid rabies vaccination certificate. Rules vary depending on whether the dog was vaccinated in the United States or in a foreign country (see below).
Have an ISO-compatible microchip for identification listed on their rabies vaccination certificate.
Meet the requirements of either Option A, B, or C below.

Option A: A valid US-Issued rabies vaccination certificate (RVC). There is no limit to the number of dogs with valid US-issued rabies vaccination certificates. Your dog must:

Appear healthy on arrival
Be at least 6 months old
Have an ISO-compatible microchip number listed on their rabies vaccination certificate
Be accompanied by a valid US-issued rabies vaccination certificate upon arrival
The rabies vaccine must be administered by a US-licensed veterinarian in the United States on or after 12 weeks of age and at least 28 days before arrival if it is the dog’s first vaccination.
Booster rabies vaccines administered in the United States after 15 months of age are valid immediately.
Arrive at one of the 18 airports with a CDC quarantine station:
Anchorage (ANC), Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago (ORD), Dallas (DFW), Detroit (DTW), Honolulu (HNL), Houston (IAH), Los Angeles (LAX), Miami (MIA), Minneapolis (MSP), New York (JFK), Newark (EWR), Philadelphia (PHL), San Francisco (SFO), San Juan (SJU), Seattle (SEA), and Washington DC (IAD).
Important Note: Expired US rabies vaccination certificates will NOT be accepted. If the US-issued rabies vaccination certificate has expired, you must enter using Option B or C (see below).

Option B: Apply for and obtain a valid CDC Dog Import Permit before arrival. CDC will only issue permits for 2 dogs per person during the duration of the suspension. This suspension is indeterminate in length but likely to continue be extended forever.

You must apply online for a CDC Dog Import Permit. It is recommended to apply at least 6 weeks before intended travel. Before beginning the process, your dog must:
Be at least 6 months old
Have a microchip
Have a valid foreign rabies vaccination certificate
Have a valid rabies serologic titer from an approved laboratory
Arrive at one of the 18 airports with a CDC quarantine station:
Anchorage (ANC), Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago (ORD), Dallas (DFW), Detroit (DTW), Honolulu (HNL), Houston (IAH), Los Angeles (LAX), Miami (MIA), Minneapolis (MSP), New York (JFK), Newark (EWR), Philadelphia (PHL), San Francisco (SFO), San Juan (SJU), Seattle (SEA), and Washington DC (IAD).
Important Note: Permits will not be issued at ports of entry. Appeals are not permitted.

Option C: For dogs without a US-issued rabies vaccination certificate or a CDC Dog Import Permit. Please note: This is the only option for persons importing 3 or more dogs into the United States.

Appear healthy on arrival
Be at least 6 months old
Have an ISO-compatible microchip number listed on their rabies vaccination certificate
Be accompanied by a valid rabies vaccination certificate upon arrival
The rabies vaccine must be administered by a licensed veterinarian on or after 12 weeks of age and at least 28 days before arrival if it is the dog’s first vaccination.
Booster rabies vaccines administered after 15 months of age are valid immediately.
Make a reservation at one of the CDC-approved animal care facilities with necessary follow-up services* at importer’s (owner’s) expense.
The CDC-approved animal care facility will determine if the dog has a valid foreign-issued RVC and serology titer.
If invalid foreign-issued RVC: dog will be denied entry.
If valid foreign-issued RVC: CDC-approved facility will determine if the dog has a valid rabies serology titer**
If valid titer: Each dog must be examined and re-vaccinated with a US-licensed rabies vaccine by a USDA-accredited veterinarian at a CDC-approved animal care facility upon arrival at the importer’s (owner’s) expense.
If invalid titer or no titer: Each dog must have a reservation to quarantine at a CDC-approved animal care facility for 28 days after the exam and re-vaccination at the importer’s (owner’s) expense.
Important Note: Option C is the only option for people with 3 or more foreign-vaccinated dogs. Dogs MUST enter at the airport associated with the CDC-approved animal care facility where they have a reservation, and the reservation MUST be made before arrival in the United States.
*Follow-up services (e.g., examination, re-vaccination, and possible 28-day quarantine) are at importer’s (owner’s) expense.

**Titer must be from an approved lab drawn at least 45 days and no more than 1 year before arrival.