Written from a child's perspective

[YachtBoyRMK]

During childhood development any socially exclusionary/remote setup is at the detriment of a child. This applies to both liveaboards as well as off-grid living. Regarding education, the thought that one or two individuals can “home school” a child throughout their school years is inane. Not even a skilled/trained professional educator can attend to all subject matter well throughout a child’s educational years.

Further, one receives far more from a school than just the actual books or classroom; it serves in their socialisation process of being around large and varied groups of individuals and forming relationships and friendships over time.

I’m all for children to be exposed to many things but believe that spending a large part of their childhood aboard with their parents is detrimental. An extended trip or even a “year off” trip would be OK, but not several years of their formative period.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by YachtBoyRMK

During childhood development any socially exclusionary/remote setup is at the detriment of a child. This applies to both liveaboards as well as off-grid living. Regarding education, the thought that one or two individuals can “home school” a child throughout their school years is inane. Not even a skilled/trained professional educator can attend to all subject matter well throughout a child’s educational years.

Further, one receives far more from a school than just the actual books or classroom; it serves in their socialisation process of being around large and varied groups of individuals and forming relationships and friendships over time.

I’m all for children to be exposed to many things but believe that spending a large part of their childhood aboard with their parents is detrimental. An extended trip or even a “year off” trip would be OK, but not several years of their formative period.

Considering the education/programming being dished out in schools today I wonder which is the more detrimental..

[HeinSdL]

Enjoyed very much seeing my (our) kids grow up, in the UK, Singapore and Switzerland, but regrettably one conclusion I have now firmly come to: schools these days are crap. Better to be on a boat.

And with regards to the 'subject matter' mentioned above: what subject matter?

[dannc]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Considering the education/programming being dished out in schools today I wonder which is the more detrimental..

I am not sure my children will ever recover from the "education" they received in one of the "best" schools in my state.

We tried to prevent our children from having to endure what we did in public schools but that attempt failed. The kids would have been better off having to deal with the "teachers" and administrators we had in school which no child should have to endure. My kids had it worse.

Again, the kids went to one of the 'best" schools in the state, not just the country, or area. I do not want to know what is going on in lower rated schools. Who knows, maybe they are better.

Later,
Dan

[davil]

did some google thing

Online, a troll is someone who enters a communication channel, such as a comment thread, solely to cause trouble. Trolls often use comment threads to cyberbully other users, discredit valid content or comments and/ or spread disinformation.

just saying

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by YachtBoyRMK

During childhood development any socially exclusionary/remote setup is at the detriment of a child. . .

I agree. And living on board in some remote place -- Antarctica? -- without contact with other people for years would certainly be harmful. But that is not the case for 99%, if not 99.9% of cruising families.

Originally Posted by YachtBoyRMK

Regarding education, the thought that one or two individuals can “home school” a child throughout their school years is inane. Not even a skilled/trained professional educator can attend to all subject matter well throughout a child’s educational years.

Demonstrably false. Study after study prove that the average home-schooled child is better socialized and better educated than the average public school educated child. How many Nobel prize winners were home-schooled? Quite a few, certainly disproportionate to their prevalence in society. Some of the best educated and intellectually impressive people I've known have been home schooled. Of course it depends on the parents, but in real life they obviously get it right more often than not.

Originally Posted by YachtBoyRMK

Further, one receives far more from a school than just the actual books or classroom; it serves in their socialisation process of being around large and varied groups of individuals and forming relationships and friendships over time.

Sure, and just think of the many-splendoured benefits of gang membership! Cruising does that too. Cruising, for most cruising families, is a highly social activity, and the quality of people the child meets is much higher on average than what the child would meet in a public school.

Originally Posted by YachtBoyRMK

I’m all for children to be exposed to many things but believe that spending a large part of their childhood aboard with their parents is detrimental. An extended trip or even a “year off” trip would be OK, but not several years of their formative period.

Everyone will make up his own mind for his own children -- and of course, someone may have in mind a program of bringing up their children which is better in some way than family cruising. In my opinion however a year or two or even a few years, even in the most formative ages, could be really great for a child, if the parents go about it the right way, including doing the home-schooling right, providing for social life of the child, etc. I think most cruising families do; at least all the ones I ever met.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Demonstrably false. Study after study prove that the average home-schooled child is better socialized and better educated than the average public school educated child. How many Nobel prize winners were home-schooled? Quite a few, certainly disproportionate to their prevalence in society. Some of the best educated and intellectually impressive people I've known have been home schooled. Of course it depends on the parents, but in real life they obviously get it right more often than not.

Yep, they've tried to throw money at low income school districts and it has negligible effect...either on learning or socialization.

Yet, schools with engaged parents consistently put out highly educated and socially adept kids. I've seen similar with home schooled kids.

While I certainly have a bias, I went to a Catholic School that got by on a shoestring budget and had marginal teachers and facilities by official standards (several were parents who didn't have teaching certificates). For Highschool, we all wound up in the public school system. Most of us were bored with the advance classes as we had already covered the material in grade school. Even though my classmates only made up around 10% of my graduating class, we dominated with 7 of the top 10 GPAs, Leadership rolls and college testing.

Highschool AP classes might be challenging for a homeschooling parent but there are plenty of homeschooling programs set up that any reasonably intelligent adult can lead a child thru. Also, with online options, even the AP classes are very doable.

[davil]

Henry David Thoreau

“I learned this, at least, by my experiment: that if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.”
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Do not mess with my dreams

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

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Yet, schools with engaged parents consistently put out highly educated and socially adept kids. I've seen similar with home schooled kids. . .

"with engaged parents" being the operative phrase here.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

"with engaged parents" being the operative phrase here.

Certainly and I would say this poor kid had anything but engaged parents. Purely coincidental that they were cruising. I've seen plenty of kids in traditional land based schools with non-engaged parents and it clearly shows in the results.

The average cruising family we have met has very engaged parents and it shows up when even non-teacher parents home schooling out perform certified teachers in a traditional classroom.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Certainly and I would say this poor kid had anything but engaged parents. Purely coincidental that they were cruising. I've seen plenty of kids in traditional land based schools with non-engaged parents and it clearly shows in the results.



The average cruising family we have met has very engaged parents and it shows up when even non-teacher parents home schooling out perform certified teachers in a traditional classroom.

Indeed. As I said - parents who suck will do so on land just as they would do it on board. It's not determined by the surroundings.

[Sailor Sailor]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Demonstrably false. Study after study prove that the average home-schooled child is better socialized and better educated than the average public school educated child.

Not according to this article by a clinical psychologist in Psychology Today:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-homeschooling

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-homeschooling

"Long-Term Success

Most studies find that homeschooled children tend to have higher college GPAs than children from conventional schools. In addition, most studies have found no difference between homeschooled and conventional students in college graduation rates. However, most homeschooled students do not attend competitive four-year colleges and one study found that homeschooled students may have lower math GPAs in college than children from conventional schools. Children who are homeschooled may also be more likely to work in a lower-paying job."

So if you want your kid to go to a no name college and get a lower paying job, homeschooling is the way to go!

[Sailor Sailor]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Yet, schools with engaged parents consistently put out highly educated and socially adept kids. I've seen similar with home schooled kids.

Apparently, it is not even necessary to narrow it down to "engaged parents."

According to data on the Opportunity Atlas, drawn from the Census Bureau, what matters is where you grow up, the specific counties, cities and zip codes: www.opportunityatlas.org

This leads credence to the idea that surroundings, peers, and environment play a greater role.

[davil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g12...ailingBritican

have followed this family for some times, the child can be seen at frame 5:01

In this particular family, the qualifier "engaged parents"drives the results.

[Fore and Aft]

SailorSailor in one of the posts Jebtrois mentioned that the blue pill was strong in your case. I had to google that Americanism and realised that is exactly the case. Your incredible bias stood out when you said, " So if you want your kid to go to a no name college and get a lower paying job, home schooling is the way to go!" You 100% don't need a college degree to be successful. I am struggling to think of any of my successful friends that have a university degree. In fact, they employ the type of people you would call a success.
I am not a spiritual but there are way more ways to measure your life's worth than by the job you have.
Anyway, here's another live aboard article from some people who took the red pill instead.
Cheers
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/s...kid-boats.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/10/10-u...20More%20items